Permethrin Spray

[THRAWN]

No, no, no. That's dihydrogen monoxide, or DHMO. Really ugly stuff in excess.

Only if it is from the Schyulkill River....

[SarDragon]

No, no, no. That's dihydrogen monoxide, or DHMO. Really ugly stuff in excess.

Only if it is from the Schyulkill River....

Got nothing on the Androscogscumgin River. The river with a head on it.

[abdsp51]

Never used the stuff even deployed.

[LSThiker]

Sorry for my sense but I am at a Tick-borne disease conference, ironically enough.

I wasn't posting to start a debate about insecticides or not or the 100 other mommy debates.     

It is CAPTalk, any post has the ability to be a debate, go into a tangent, or be a debate on a tangent.  :-)

No, no, no. That's dihydrogen monoxide, or DHMO. Really ugly stuff in excess.

Well, it was Aliso Viejo, California that had a paralegal put the banning of DHMO on a city council agenda in March 2004.

I wasn't posting to start a debate about insecticides or not or the 100 other mommy debates. 

Maybe not, but it's good that you did. Some people are just ignorant of the impact that spraying chemicals on themselves may have. The more it's discussed, the better we will all be able to operate safely.

And some people are completely ignorant of the nature of chemicals altogether, and say the term like it's an automatic epithet.

True. Those people would not be me.

However, that hoax demonstrates what is wrong with science education in this country.  People read things on the internet that sound official and scary but they fail to critically analyze the information.  As with the DHMO hoax.  People hear an official scary source and believe it must be true.  I run into this all the time with people: 
the contrail conspiracy
Banning of vaccines because Jenny McCarthy says so based on the fraudulent work of Andrew Wakefield despite the volumes of research that demonstrates the contrary. 
Quote mining (Richard Dawkins has a good video on this)
"Studies" that demonstrates XYZ but they fail to understand the study itself was flawed because poor technique, wrong dosage, wrong delivery, wrong usage.
Or some bias and misleading website like NaturalNews says so

Part of this fault lies in the process of science.  When I publish, if my article is rejected (not meaning accepted but with major revisions), then I try to publish again in a lower tier journal.  Sooner or later some journal with poor standards or peer review or none at all will accept the work and publish it.  People can latch on to these journals and claim "see it is published research". Of course even top tier journals will post flawed science because poor reviewer selection, based on the history of a particular researcher, etc.  The good thing is that over time science corrects itself based on more research and other scientists disputing claims (I.e. The retracted articles of South Korean researcher that claimed he could clone human stem cells). 

Being able to really critically evaluate scientific work is what separates a scientist and a person that studied science.  I do not know many times I have heard "well he has a BA in science so that makes him a scientist". Sorry it does not. 

While I was in the Army they stopped issuing it and forbade us from using it due to health risks from prolonged usage.

When was that?  Was that Army or a command decision.  For at least 30years, the use of permethrin has been in field manuals.  Also the Army has reintroduced permethrin treated Uniforms in 2013:

http://phc.amedd.army.mil/topics/envirohealth/epm/Pages/PermethrinFactory-treatedArmyCombatUniforms(ACUPermethrin).aspx

Never used the stuff even deployed.

Neither did I.  The only time I wear it is when I am outside in conditions near mosquito or tick hatching season and you see these:



Mosquito swarms


Lone star tick larvae

[jdh]

While I was in the Army they stopped issuing it and forbade us from using it due to health risks from prolonged usage.

When was that?  Was that Army or a command decision.  For at least 30years, the use of permethrin has been in field manuals.  Also the Army has reintroduced permethrin treated Uniforms in 2013:

http://phc.amedd.army.mil/topics/envirohealth/epm/Pages/PermethrinFactory-treatedArmyCombatUniforms(ACUPermethrin).aspx

In 04 in basic they gave it to us with initial issue, while in AIT in 05 it was taken and we were told to discontinue use of it and it was still forbidden in 2009 when I got medically retired. We were told to use high concentration DEET sprays instead.

[AlphaSigOU]

Mosquito swarms

The Marshall Islands Air Force! (Also applies to the swarms of day-VFR only flies.)

[PHall]

While I was in the Army they stopped issuing it and forbade us from using it due to health risks from prolonged usage.

When was that?  Was that Army or a command decision.  For at least 30years, the use of permethrin has been in field manuals.  Also the Army has reintroduced permethrin treated Uniforms in 2013:

http://phc.amedd.army.mil/topics/envirohealth/epm/Pages/PermethrinFactory-treatedArmyCombatUniforms(ACUPermethrin).aspx

In 04 in basic they gave it to us with initial issue, while in AIT in 05 it was taken and we were told to discontinue use of it and it was still forbidden in 2009 when I got medically retired. We were told to use high concentration DEET sprays instead.

That's no joke. I developed a hyper-sensitivity to the stuff and can't even use stuff like Off bug repellent today.

[LSThiker]

While I was in the Army they stopped issuing it and forbade us from using it due to health risks from prolonged usage.

When was that?  Was that Army or a command decision.  For at least 30years, the use of permethrin has been in field manuals.  Also the Army has reintroduced permethrin treated Uniforms in 2013:

http://phc.amedd.army.mil/topics/envirohealth/epm/Pages/PermethrinFactory-treatedArmyCombatUniforms(ACUPermethrin).aspx

In 04 in basic they gave it to us with initial issue, while in AIT in 05 it was taken and we were told to discontinue use of it and it was still forbidden in 2009 when I got medically retired. We were told to use high concentration DEET sprays instead.

So it was command decision. The Army Public Health Command and AMEDD were still recommending permethrin during those times for uniforms and DEET. But we were not recommending one over the other.

[lordmonar]

Well.....timely discussion.

If you've read the new SAFETY BEACON you will see that CAP advocates the use of Permethrin and DEET to repel ticks.

http://capmembers.com/media/cms/June_Safety_Beacon_2015__final__pdf_5FF54BD3456F5.pdf