Combat Infantry Badge

[LSThiker]

Since when are Engineers not considered a combat arms unit? 

You know Engineers aren't Combat Arms, they are Combat Support. Just like MP and Chemical. That's why we go to Fort Leonard Wood for all of our MOS courses and not Benning or Sill.

There is no such thing as Combat Arms, Combat Support, and Combat Service Support anymore.  They are now classified as:

Maneuver, Fires, and Effects (Infantry, Armor, Engineer, MP, AD, FA, Aviation, SF, PSYOPs, CA, and Chemical),

Operational Support (MI, Signal, Foreign Area Officer, Functional Branch, Cyber)

Force Sustainment (AG, Finance, Transportation/Quartermaster/Logistician, Ordnance)

Health Services (Medical, Dental, Veterinary, Nurse, Medical Specialist, Medical Service).

[Sapper168]

Since when are Engineers not considered a combat arms unit? 

You know Engineers aren't Combat Arms, they are Combat Support. Just like MP and Chemical. That's why we go to Fort Leonard Wood for all of our MOS courses and not Benning or Sill.

As a not so old Sapper School graduated Combat Engineer, I call BS on this.  We were classified as Combat Arms just like infantry and Armor.

[68w20]

Since when are Engineers not considered a combat arms unit? 

You know Engineers aren't Combat Arms, they are Combat Support. Just like MP and Chemical. That's why we go to Fort Leonard Wood for all of our MOS courses and not Benning or Sill.

As a not so old Sapper School graduated Combat Engineer, I call BS on this.  We were classified as Combat Arms just like infantry and Armor.

For example, a 68W assigned to a vertical engineer company could not be awarded a CMB for providing care under fire as part of that unit.
http://tinyurl.com/CMB-criteria

[Sapper168]

That's because vertical engineer companies are not 'combat arms units',  while Combat engineer companies and Sapper units fall under the description of 'combat arms units' as it pertains to before 2003 as stated in the link.

[JK657]

Engineers: Formerly Combat Support, Now Maneuver Support

[flyboy53]

Since when are Engineers not considered a combat arms unit? 

You know Engineers aren't Combat Arms, they are Combat Support. Just like MP and Chemical. That's why we go to Fort Leonard Wood for all of our MOS courses and not Benning or Sill.

As a not so old Sapper School graduated Combat Engineer, I call BS on this.  We were classified as Combat Arms just like infantry and Armor.

Funny. I never thought a Sapper was anything else but combat arms....just like the SOAR guys. So tell me did you earn enough points or did you have to do that several mile run at the end. How was the survival meal?

Also, given the original subject matter, I saw a few CIBs on Air Force uniforms while in the Air Force...a few of them were Security Police. One was so old that the blue had worn from the badge.

No one ever told them to take the badge...especially Col. "Wild Bill" Wise, the commander of what would become "Operation Safeside" or the Combat Security Police and the foundation for what are now Security Forces. He earned his on D-Day.