A topic that must be discussed with cadets...

Started by Stonewall, November 16, 2012, 06:47:09 PM

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Stonewall

As goofy as these movies are, I guarantee every real cadet from the 80s, and likely the early 90s, can quote most every scene from Red Dawn 1984.

Red Dawn 1984

Will cadets of the 2010s consider Red Dawn 2012 as iconic as we did back in the day?  If not, what movie will today's cadets still be quoting 28 years from now?

Red Dawn 2012
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Майор Хаткевич

Red Dawn '12 sold out.

Unreal enemy. A Marine as the leader. Where's the romance of high school spec ops experts?

coudano

I don't think red dawn 2012 is going to go over the way people think it will...

Garibaldi

Quote from: coudano on November 16, 2012, 07:03:07 PM
I don't think red dawn 2012 is going to go over the way people think it will...

Why...God, why? Why do You let people remake classic movies like Red Dawn? There was nothing wrong with the original! North Koreans invade the US? Please. At least the Cuban/Russian invasion made some sort of sense.  :'(

If they remake Apocalypse Now, we're all doomed.
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Cool Mace

Quote from: Garibaldi on November 16, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: coudano on November 16, 2012, 07:03:07 PM
I don't think red dawn 2012 is going to go over the way people think it will...

Why...God, why? Why do You let people remake classic movies like Red Dawn? There was nothing wrong with the original! North Koreans invade the US? Please. At least the Cuban/Russian invasion made some sort of sense.  :'(

If they remake Apocalypse Now, we're all doomed.

Creativity has run it's course in Hollywood. Remakes are a joke.
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manfredvonrichthofen

They made game based on red dawn called Just Cause, I think if did more credit to Red Dawn than this year's remake will do.

LGM30GMCC

I would say the game 'Homeland' is closer to this version of Red Dawn.  8) (Yes, I'm an SM and a gamer. We do exist.)

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: LGM30GMCC on November 16, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
I would say the game 'Homeland' is closer to this version of Red Dawn.  8) (Yes, I'm an SM and a gamer. We do exist.)


+1.

Edit: The reason, of course is that the NES generation is now adults, but they grew up playing.

Garibaldi

Quote from: usafaux2004 on November 16, 2012, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: LGM30GMCC on November 16, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
I would say the game 'Homeland' is closer to this version of Red Dawn.  8) (Yes, I'm an SM and a gamer. We do exist.)


+1.

Edit: The reason, of course is that the NES generation is now adults, but they grew up playing.

NES? Try Atari, Colecovision, Commodore 64...
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Майор Хаткевич

Those are part of the failed gaming era. NES is credited with saving the home gaming industry .

Btw, I have a collecovision that works at home. Thinking of selling it.

a2capt

I've got a boxed Adam system with disk drive, too. :) But it's just a glorified Colecovision. So I play the high speed casette games on an emulator, and leave the Adam in the box.

Might be interested in another Colecovision..

Stonewall

Really?  We started with badass Red Dawn and now we're talking geeky video games?

I've never owned a single video game, no Atari and no PSP thing.  Before CAP, and after watching Red Dawn, I went back to my room and re-packed my canvas, external framed, Boy Scout pack and added some more beanie weanies.  I had to make sure I was ready for WWIII.  It was the Cold War after all.

This...



Or this...

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Quote from: Stonewall on November 16, 2012, 08:58:58 PM
Really?  We started with badass Red Dawn and now we're talking geeky video games?

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Quote from: Stonewall on November 16, 2012, 08:58:58 PM
Really?  We started with badass Red Dawn and now we're talking geeky video games?

I've never owned a single video game, no Atari and no PSP thing.  Before CAP, and after watching Red Dawn, I went back to my room and re-packed my canvas, external framed, Boy Scout pack and added some more beanie weanies.  I had to make sure I was ready for WWIII.  It was the Cold War after all.

^^^^THIS
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754837

I liked the movie Taps & could  identify with the cadets (well... up to the point that Tom Cruise opens fire on the National Guard).

coudano

apparently muzzle discipline has improved somewhat in american insurgent youth in the past 28 years :)

Garibaldi

Quote from: 754837 on November 16, 2012, 09:42:04 PM
I liked the movie Taps & could  identify with the cadets (well... up to the point that Tom Cruise opens fire on the National Guard).

Yeah, that one too. At the time that movie came out, we were losing our meeting space so we sympathized some. We just didn't have an armory to pull from.
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manfredvonrichthofen

Quote from: LGM30GMCC on November 16, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
I would say the game 'Homeland' is closer to this version of Red Dawn.  8) (Yes, I'm an SM and a gamer. We do exist.)
Thank you, I had the wrong game title in my head... Don't know how I got those mixed up... That was the sickest game opening I have ever seen though.

However I tend to make comments about arrows to the knee a little more honest...Yes, I too small senior member gamer.

68w20

Quote from: Cool Mace on November 16, 2012, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: Garibaldi on November 16, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: coudano on November 16, 2012, 07:03:07 PM
I don't think red dawn 2012 is going to go over the way people think it will...

Why...God, why? Why do You let people remake classic movies like Red Dawn? There was nothing wrong with the original! North Koreans invade the US? Please. At least the Cuban/Russian invasion made some sort of sense.  :'(

If they remake Apocalypse Now, we're all doomed.

Creativity has run it's course in Hollywood. Remakes are a joke.

I always hate this argument.  I understand the basis for it, but it's just not logical.  How can one argue that adaptations/remakes are signs of creative bankruptcy when so many classics have fallen into that category:

Or this remake, which has been remade countless times on literally millions of stages:

Or this adaptation, the one that literally defined the film noir genre:

Or these two, both of which had been adapted from their respective books in multiple films:


Lastly, I find it particularly interesting that you mention this one:

which is itself an adaptation of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness

These are all widely accepted as classic cinema; or, in the case of Henry V, screen adaptations of classic plays.  Each and every one of them is either an adaptation or a remake of a previous film.  Yet, somehow, they still have merit on their own.  [sits back to watch the flame war while playing some Skyrim]

The CyBorg is destroyed

And on top of it, the "new" Red Dawn has the North Koreans as aggressors?

The North Korean Air Force could be decimated by two or three states' Air National Guard fighter units.  The most "modern" birds they have are very early MiG-29's, kept to defend Pyongyang safe (and whatever Kim happens to be running it).

The North Korean Navy is a bunch of old Soviet and Chinese rustbuckets that wouldn't even get past Hawaii before being taken out by USN and USCG units in that state.

The North Korean Army...yes, they've got a lot of them, but you have to have a way to get them here, and some old clapped out Antonovs with no or outdated fighter escort?  They wouldn't get past USAF units stationed in Japan, not to mention JASDF F-15's.

I learnt some interesting survival techniques from the original...like what to do if your radiator's low on fluid. 8)
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jimmydeanno

Quote from: CyBorg on November 18, 2012, 12:23:23 AM
The North Korean Army...yes, they've got a lot of them, but you have to have a way to get them here, a

and have them willing to fight when they do.
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ol'fido

Red Dawn, Apocalypse Now, and Uncommon Valor: The trifecta of great movies from my cadet days. I would also give an honorable mention to Stripes.

How many times over the years have I heard the odd, "Almighty, Almighty, this is PBR Streetgang" going out over the airwaves at a CAP activity.  Me and a buddy could do whole scenes from memory. The CAP van(actually my old squadron commander's personal shaggin' wagon) would be rolling down the road with "Ride of the Valkyries" blasting from the stereo. Although my favorite Robert Duvall speech is from Secondhand Lions.

As for Red Dawn,

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NIN

Quote from: jimmydeanno on November 18, 2012, 12:29:37 AM
and have them willing to fight when they do.

How about "able" to fight?

How to Defeat A North Korean Infantry Company

1) Visit McDonalds.
2) Buy a dozen 2 cheeseburger combo meals.
3) Place said combo meals in the open, along the axis of advance of an NK infantry unit.
4) Sit back and watch.
5) When 100+ infantrymen are in the open fighting over 24 hamburgers and 12 orders of fries, call in an airstrike.  Or set off the conveniently available and cleverly placed IEDs.


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Quote from: ol'fido on November 18, 2012, 12:38:41 AM
Red Dawn, Apocalypse Now, and Uncommon Valor: The trifecta of great movies from my cadet days. I would also give an honorable mention to Stripes.

How many times over the years have I heard the odd, "Almighty, Almighty, this is PBR Streetgang" going out over the airwaves at a CAP activity.  Me and a buddy could do whole scenes from memory. The CAP van(actually my old squadron commander's personal shaggin' wagon) would be rolling down the road with "Ride of the Valkyries" blasting from the stereo. Although my favorite Robert Duvall speech is from Secondhand Lions.

As for Red Dawn,

"John has a long moustache."

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Cyborg-

How do the NK infantry gets "over here," after the Navy and Air Force have been decimated by USN, USCG, and ANG units:

The NK Army will tunnel under the Pacific Ocean, there are so many and they have created nice, good tunnels between NK and SK.

>:D

How do you defend against that!

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a2capt

Heh.. Movie Remakes..
...
I am serious. ..and don't call me Shirley!

The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: flyer333555 on November 18, 2012, 04:37:49 AM
Cyborg-

How do the NK infantry gets "over here," after the Navy and Air Force have been decimated by USN, USCG, and ANG units:

The NK Army will tunnel under the Pacific Ocean, there are so many and they have created nice, good tunnels between NK and SK.

>:D

How do you defend against that!

Flyer

Simple, dimples...have Navy divers/robotic submersibles locate the tunnels, drill holes in them...

Quote from: NIN on November 18, 2012, 02:43:09 AM
How to Defeat A North Korean Infantry Company

1) Visit McDonalds.
2) Buy a dozen 2 cheeseburger combo meals.
3) Place said combo meals in the open, along the axis of advance of an NK infantry unit.
4) Sit back and watch.
5) When 100+ infantrymen are in the open fighting over 24 hamburgers and 12 orders of fries, call in an airstrike.  Or set off the conveniently available and cleverly placed IEDs.

Or watch them die of a sudden attack of artery-plugging plaque.

This is my current "bug-out"/kick-butt-and-take-names heroine...



Rewrite the Red Dawn remake and write her in...she'd take out the North Koreans by herself.
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Майор Хаткевич

Revolution as a fun show but I would give it up for a return of Last Resort Any day.

The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: usafaux2004 on November 18, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
Revolution as a fun show but I would give it up for a return of Last Resort Any day.

But it doesn't have Tracy Spiridakos... :P
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Stonewall

This is about the best review of Red Dawn 2012 which also compares it to the 1984 release.  Be advised, there is a spoiler or two.

Even more spoilers ---> Red Dawn vs. Red Dawn a side-by-side comparison, but right on the mark.


Boys Into Men: Josh Peck, Josh Hutcherson and Chris Hemsworth (left to right) take on the North Koreans in Red Dawn, a remake of the 1984 classic.

New Dawn: Updated version of the 1984 classic bursts with ramped-up action
John Hoogesteger - Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Going into the new Red Dawn, I wondered why there was a need to remake the '80s classic about a group of teens who hide out in the woods, when the United States is overrun by foreign invaders, and turn into a band of inspirational freedom fighters.


Coming out of the new Red Dawn, I had the same question.


Other than several pumped-up action sequences that benefit from improved direction and special effects over the last 25 years, there's little to tout in this jingoistic battle yarn, which lacks the innocence and the heart of the original.


The action has been moved from small-town America to the more significant Spokane, Wash., and like the original, begins with a group of high school students jolted out of their blissful teen lives into the bitter reality of enemy invasion.


Unlike the original, these teens do not waste time hiding out in the hills learning how to live off the land and honing their skills. From Day 1, they decide to be guerillas, picking away at the North Koreans who have occupied their hometown (replacing the Cubans and Nicaraguans from the original film). In fact, the movie glosses over the group having any real difficulty acquiring food, shelter and supplies or dealing with homesickness.


One advantage to moving the action to a major city: It allows the boys to slip in and out of the city at will to develop their underground resistance and make their surprise attacks. Another is that they can create a more diverse group of teens. Oddly, though, they build a resistance network without recruiting any more actual soldiers, just a supply and intelligence network.


One of the drawbacks of the bigger city is that they're named after their high school football team, the Wolverines, something iconic for small-town America but not as significant in a city like Spokane, which has more than a dozen high schools.


Chris Hemsworth (Thor in The Avengers) stars as Jed Eckert, the leader of this ragtag group. As fate would have it, he was home from the Marines, visiting family, when the attack hit, making him the senior member and the only one with any previous combat skills.


Hemsworth and co-star Josh Peck (Josh of Nickelodeon's Drake and Josh), as brother Matt Eckert, deliver reliable but unimaginative performances. The phrase "adequate but uninspired" sums up all the acting. It's not that they aren't believable; it's just that we don't care much about any of these guys. There are casualties in any war movie, but only one Wolverine death evoked any emotional reaction from the audience. Several of the original cast went on to be Hollywood stars, but this next generation does not seem to be poised for greatness.


The movie deviates from the original in the second half, to create the need for some major battle sequences. Unfortunately, that deviation requires viewers to not have even the most rudimentary knowledge of the laws of physics.


Three members of the Marine Corps surface on a mission. (It takes three of them to replace Powers Booth from the original.) They bring knowledge that the North Koreans and their Russian allies have used some sort of long-lasting electromagnetic pulse to knock out the power and keep it knocked out. Supposedly, they're using special radios immune to the pulse to have superior communications, compared to U.S. insurgent forces. One of the problems with this bit of hokum is that the Wolverines have been using battery-operated cellphones to take surveillance photos and trigger hidden explosives. Apparently, they can do this because no one told them the EMP would make it impossible. The Marines want to steal one of the special radios, and they enlist the Wolverines to help, creating an improbable showdown at the former police headquarters, headquarters of evil Capt. Lo, who's been hunting the Wolverines since the invasion began.


If you choose to take your chances with the new Red Dawn, don't pay too much attention to the illogical details or the bland characters; just go for the action sequences, which are the film's only redeeming quality. Fortunately, there are a lot of them within the modest 90-minute running time, so you never have to wait too long for the next one. 

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RogueLeader

Quote from: Stonewall on November 28, 2012, 05:30:39 PM




Why does he (one on left) have his finger on the trigger, when he's not actively engaging targets?  Safety!  Does he have a mind to shoot something unintentionally? 
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Stonewall

Quote from: RogueLeader on November 28, 2012, 06:22:53 PMWhy does he (one on left) have his finger on the trigger, when he's not actively engaging targets?  Safety!  Does he have a mind to shoot something unintentionally?

Because...

A) It's a movie.
B) The character is a high school kid without firearms training.
C) It's a movie.
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RogueLeader

Sorry, forgot to include the smiley.  please insert:  >:D at the end.



;)
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Quote from: RogueLeader on November 28, 2012, 06:34:46 PM
Sorry, forgot to include the smiley.  please insert:  >:D at the end.



;)

Because he realizes that this is such a bad movie, he wants to accidentally kill the Director and Producer
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a2capt

Because they did not take the RST, and participate in the ORM discussion prior to the mission.
..and they're probably out of their 30 day safety currency.

Slim

Quote from: Stonewall on November 28, 2012, 05:30:39 PM




Fairly unrelated, but I can step out the front door of my office, look about 6 blocks south, and see both of those buildings in the background.



Slim

Garibaldi

Quote from: Slim on November 29, 2012, 05:08:04 AM

Fairly unrelated, but I can step out the front door of my office, look about 6 blocks south, and see both of those buildings in the background.

Even more unrelated, the office where my dad's wife once worked was in the background of the final footrace in Cannonball Run.
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spacecommand

Hollywoodz, stop, just stop.  Red Dawn just in name.  Not the same impact as you would watching it during the cold war.

FARRIER

Quote from: ol'fido on November 18, 2012, 12:38:41 AMI would also give an honorable mention to Stripes.

Stripes wouldn't have the same impact it had back then either. The scene where Bill Murry (and the other actor) were asked if they were homosexual by the recruiter...is a non-issue today. Some of the stuff may be dated.

Recruiter: Now, are either of you homosexuals?
John Winger: [John and Russell look at each other] You mean, like, flaming, or...
Recruiter: Well, it's a standard question we have to ask.
Russell Ziskey: No, we're not homosexual, but we are *willing to learn*.
John Winger: Yeah, would they send us someplace special?
Recruiter: I guess that's "no" on both. Now if you could just give Uncle Sam your autograph...
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I was right-handed, but always ran with the gun in my left hand, or else I was TJ perched on a roof somewhere waiting for the signal.

That or I was starting an "IV with D5W and ringers lactate".

In 1984 any hopes of a military career were essentially over thanks to a recruiter who couldn't give me a straight answer, and I was on track to
be a police officer more than anything else, so Beverly Hills Cop was on the calendar, but Red Dawn never came up.  I don't think I've actually ever seen it all the way through (blasphemy, I know). The future in PD blue was dashed thanks to the politics of hiring in the 3rd largest city in the country.

The reviews from friends have been mixed - most saying its been reduced to a formula action movie "lots of shooting" as one put it.

As said, the real "red menace" was a viable threat, these days not so much.  Our "Red Dawn" is more likely to come from a handful of bad actors vs. an invasion.

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I was a cadet during the latter parts of the Cold War. Red Dawn was, in our little pea-brains, a very real scenario. To be trained for, even.

Cadets today would be stunned to learn that not only were half of us packed and practiced, we were prepared to get the other half out, too.  We took bivouacs seriously. Land navigation, comms, first aid, observation, field craft. That was all "dual use" training.

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Stonewall

Quote from: NIN on November 30, 2012, 04:08:45 AM
I was a cadet during the latter parts of the Cold War. Red Dawn was, in our little pea-brains, a very real scenario. To be trained for, even.

Cadets today would be stunned to learn that not only were half of us packed and practiced, we were prepared to get the other half out, too.  We took bivouacs seriously. Land navigation, comms, first aid, observation, field craft. That was all "dual use" training.

+1

This is NOT a joke.  Cadets would not believe me if I sat up in front of them and attempted to explain what it was like.  In my very early teens, even prior to CAP, I hoarded canned foods, built a first aid kit, and had a no-crap bugout bag (backpack) ready to go.  I actually imagined myself having to bolt out of my window, grab my dog on the way out, and live life in the woods for years.  THEN Red Dawn came out!  Red Dawn had me re-thinking my plan.  /serious
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Garibaldi

Quote from: Stonewall on November 30, 2012, 04:14:12 AM
Quote from: NIN on November 30, 2012, 04:08:45 AM
I was a cadet during the latter parts of the Cold War. Red Dawn was, in our little pea-brains, a very real scenario. To be trained for, even.

Cadets today would be stunned to learn that not only were half of us packed and practiced, we were prepared to get the other half out, too.  We took bivouacs seriously. Land navigation, comms, first aid, observation, field craft. That was all "dual use" training.

+1

This is NOT a joke.  Cadets would not believe me if I sat up in front of them and attempted to explain what it was like.  In my very early teens, even prior to CAP, I hoarded canned foods, built a first aid kit, and had a no-crap bugout bag (backpack) ready to go.  I actually imagined myself having to bolt out of my window, grab my dog on the way out, and live life in the woods for years.  THEN Red Dawn came out!  Red Dawn had me re-thinking my plan.  /serious

Wow. Things really were the same everywhere. The weekends we spend roaming the North Georgia mountains, survival skills, stuff out of the Ranger Handbook, recon, all the things associated with World's End and nuclear winter. No weapons training but most of us had basic skills obtained outside of CAP so if the time came...
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a2capt

I remember the invasion of Grenada, it was a cold foggy morning in San Diego County .. my 9th grade year. 1st period class was World Geography and we had been talking about the Caribbean that previous week.

... and then the next year, Red Dawn ..  only, yeah, the movie was centered in Colorado, but Mexico is really close here, and even though we have a lot of Marines here .. that scenario could have very well "fit" this area geographically, too. The mountains, the town, the railroad spurs, etc.

Duck and Cover, nothing. I still feel that even in the early 1980's the Cold War was going full strong.

Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall! .. I still remember hearing that on TV when it happened in 1987. Two days after school finished. I remember The Day After on ABC. We had this huge TV smashing top loader VHS and I recorded the broadcast and still have that crappy tape on the shelf.

SarDragon

Ummm...  the last time I checked, a minute or four ago, the wall came down in '89 and '90.
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Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: SarDragon on November 30, 2012, 08:26:17 AM
Ummm...  the last time I checked, a minute or four ago, the wall came down in '89 and '90.
When was the Reagan speech thought?

Stonewall

Quote from: usafaux2004 on November 30, 2012, 02:53:04 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on November 30, 2012, 08:26:17 AM
Ummm...  the last time I checked, a minute or four ago, the wall came down in '89 and '90.
When was the Reagan speech though?

June 12, 1987...

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a2capt

Quote from: SarDragon on November 30, 2012, 08:26:17 AMUmmm...  the last time I checked, a minute or four ago, the wall came down in '89 and '90.
I didn't say the wall came down, just when Reagan threw down the gauntlet.

I have a piece of the wall here. I would have loved to hop a plane back then and been there, bring back a bigger chunk.

Some Cold War era stuff I have, and a little Leninade to brighten the party.. Get Hammered & Sickled! A Taste worth standing in line for!


Checkpoint Charlie replica sign, Berlin wall chunk, Soviet pilot mission logbook, CD radiological survey meter. The Apple //e that I'm sure I played Cannonball Blitz on, and used the "War Games" Dialer on many nights.. found some interesting modem numbers with .. etc.. ;)

ol'fido

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NIN

Quote from: Stonewall on November 30, 2012, 04:14:12 AM
+1

This is NOT a joke.  Cadets would not believe me if I sat up in front of them and attempted to explain what it was like.  In my very early teens, even prior to CAP, I hoarded canned foods, built a first aid kit, and had a no-crap bugout bag (backpack) ready to go.  I actually imagined myself having to bolt out of my window, grab my dog on the way out, and live life in the woods for years.  THEN Red Dawn came out!  Red Dawn had me re-thinking my plan.  /serious

Guy I went to HS with was quite the "survivalist" type. He had a code word (the title of a book on the subject) that was "no kidding rally at the pre-arranged place, we gotta go" kind of thing.  He had weapons, too.

I remember thinking "My parents? They can make it without me."
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Quote from: Cool Mace on November 16, 2012, 07:26:03 PM
Creativity has run it's course in Hollywood. Remakes are a joke.

The remake of "True Grit" was quite better than the original, IMHO   8)

bosshawk

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Paul M. Reed
Col, USA(ret)
Former CAP Lt Col
Wilson #2777

a2capt

They had color back then!? :)

That would be a fun thing to see/scan..  I've not seen much in the way of color, of that era.

A friend that was stationed in various areas of Germany during the 1980's has had some fun stories to tell about the road to Berlin and the facades put up by the East side, the propaganda ..