"ES For Dummies"

Started by Abby.L, January 09, 2012, 09:41:11 PM

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Abby.L

Hello all,
I am the new cadet safety officer in my squadron, after the last one resigned from CAP. He left me in quite a hole, as I now have to present a basic class about ES to my squadron this week. I will have 3 other cadets to assist me, SSgt and below, but I would like a basic class that covers most of the bases and issues, that would take up 20 minutes or less. If anyone can assist me in the essentials that I should cover, that would be great, thanks! ;D
Capt Abby R. Lockling
SSgt(Sep) USAF, 41ECS
Charlie flight, NBB 2013

rustyjeeper

has everyone taken the 116?
a class on how to take that and upload a photo is always a good place to begin and to do ANY ES training you need to have all participants 116 qualified... get that out of the way
Once that is done it may be...
go to the CAP website under ES and there are a lot of ES powerpoints already available to put a class togather with just pick a subject

Eclipse

Where does ES Basics fall under Safety?

"That Others May Zoom"

Abby.L

As far as the 116 goes, practicly no one. And thanks for the hint about NHQ. Looks like they actually did something intelligent!  :o  ;) And sorry, I should have specified: I'm the cadet Safety/ES officer. I'm just used to saying Safety officer.
Capt Abby R. Lockling
SSgt(Sep) USAF, 41ECS
Charlie flight, NBB 2013

rustyjeeper

I read the title and went from there- my mistake sorry! >:(
of course to be safe while doing ES you can discuss wearing lots of orange during hunting season or cover proper tying of bootlaces ;)

Abby.L

Haha no problem. Sad thing is, I can see some of the cadets in my squadron doing that. And could anyone provide a link to the powerpoints? I seem to have a problem finding it...  8)
Capt Abby R. Lockling
SSgt(Sep) USAF, 41ECS
Charlie flight, NBB 2013

Fubar

Where's the senior member that you're assisting? You should be getting help and guidance from an adult, as a cadet you won't be in charge of safety (or ES for that matter).

Abby.L

I understand that I won't be "In Charge" of it. And as far as the senior member, hey, he's as clueless as me. We lost our last ES officer to his job, so he's now a back up. Point being, I've been assigned a task, and I will do it.  ::)
Capt Abby R. Lockling
SSgt(Sep) USAF, 41ECS
Charlie flight, NBB 2013

Extremepredjudice

At least you get a class. The best I got was about 2 minutes and then our c/cc started grumping.

Talk about Ground teams, IC, and ICS.
You could blow an hour on any of those.

If you still need to fill time, Q and A.
Easy time filler, and you get back to the cadets later if you don't know the answer.

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Abby.L

Haha yea. And I'm the one teaching it, lucky me. So I had a general idea of covering SQTRs, short Q&A(I'll probably get candy to get them into it), Ground teams and IC, another Q&A, and then Some basic communications. Though I might have to extend the time plan, but it shouldn't be too bad. That sound pretty good?
Capt Abby R. Lockling
SSgt(Sep) USAF, 41ECS
Charlie flight, NBB 2013

lordmonar

Quote from: Eclipse on January 09, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Where does ES Basics fall under Safety?
That's what I was wondering.
Also.....where is your squadron safety officer or your squadron ES officer?  They are the ones who should be mentoring you....not some random guys on CT.

Go back to your squadron and ask your safety officer/commander for assitance.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

lordmonar

Quote from: Levilockling on January 10, 2012, 06:06:46 AM
I understand that I won't be "In Charge" of it. And as far as the senior member, hey, he's as clueless as me. We lost our last ES officer to his job, so he's now a back up. Point being, I've been assigned a task, and I will do it.  ::)
If you are not qualified to teach ES....you should not be teaching ES.

Your commander needs to go up to group/wing and request assitance.  This sort of thing is way outside to scope of what you as a C/CMSgt should be doing.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Spaceman3750

Quote from: lordmonar on January 10, 2012, 06:59:39 AM
Quote from: Levilockling on January 10, 2012, 06:06:46 AM
I understand that I won't be "In Charge" of it. And as far as the senior member, hey, he's as clueless as me. We lost our last ES officer to his job, so he's now a back up. Point being, I've been assigned a task, and I will do it.  ::)
If you are not qualified to teach ES....you should not be teaching ES.

Your commander needs to go up to group/wing and request assitance.  This sort of thing is way outside to scope of what you as a C/CMSgt should be doing.

+1

I'm all for learning by digging in and doing it, but this is one of the things you at least need outside consultation on before you begin. Eventually you're going to need an evaluator.

JetDriver777

Were does it state that you have to be qualified to teach ES?  ANYONE can teach. 

Extremepredjudice

This chief is smart enough to get help and feedback. He'll do fine.

Just don't procrastinate.  Remember to practice.
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rustyjeeper


"+1

I'm all for learning by digging in and doing it, but this is one of the things you at least need outside consultation on before you begin. Eventually you're going to need an evaluator."
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Seems to me that he is reaching out for advice and consultation--to all of us here. Yes going thru the unit might be a better idea in some ways- but we have no idea the size of the unit and how active they are in ES.
Here on captalk there is a wealth of information available and a lot of experience to draw from. We can offer suggestion which he can utilize to learn about and then present to the senior in charge who may or may not allow those topices...

Since your talk is on safety related to ES I suggest consideration of the following items:
Lightning safety-what do you do if you cant get to shelter???

Poisin Ivy, Oak, Sumac identification and treatment for those occasions when it is "too late"
Tick borne illeness (lyme disease)
Chiggers/ Fire Ants /Snakes all depending on where you live in the country and what the hazards are
the list goes on and on
and of course everything in the field has risk, just think of all the ways to get hurt even something as simple as proper wear of boots can be a safety topic if done with thought

Spaceman3750

Quote from: JetDriver777 on January 10, 2012, 07:28:06 PM
Were does it state that you have to be qualified to teach ES?  ANYONE can teach.

Knowing what you're talking about helps :).

ol'fido

When I saw the Topic title "ES for Dummies", I thought it was going to be a review of the GT/UDFT Task Guide. Shucks.  :( :'( >:D
Lt. Col. Randy L. Mitchell
Historian, Group 1, IL-006

Duke Dillio

I have a slide presentation that I created specifically to introduce people to how to become a GTM.  PM me if you want a copy.  It'll probably be going up on a website within the next six months.

Abby.L

Thanks for all the positive responses, y'all! The lesson is tomorrow, and I have powerpoints to cover what I said I would cover before. Thanks again, I'm sure that I'll do fine.
Capt Abby R. Lockling
SSgt(Sep) USAF, 41ECS
Charlie flight, NBB 2013

Duke Dillio

Since there was a lot of requests for my slide presentation I think it would be better for me to upload it and link it.  Anyone know the best place to upload a PP presentation?  Photobucket won't take it...

Extremepredjudice

Skydrive, google docs, dropbox.
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rustyjeeper

dropbox works well and is free

Duke Dillio

OK after pulling most of what is left of my hair out, I finally figured out how to work the skydrive.  Here's is the link to the presentation that I created.  Please note, all pictures came from public domain so if there are issues, please let me know and I will change them as necessary.  Feel free to use this presentation to your heart's content but please let me know if there are any errors or other things that I need to change so I can make this better.

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=47be79522c6aea8b&resid=47BE79522C6AEA8B!225&parid=47BE79522C6AEA8B!174

SarDragon

In the flow chart, UDF is not necessarily a step in the GT progression. The UDF tasks are also a part of the GTL task set.
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Duke Dillio

I forgot to look at that.  In Oregon, you have to be UDF qualified before you can be GT qualified.  I'll update that here soon.  Thanks for the look out.

Eclipse

#26
Is that in an approved supplement?

I don't know how you would manage that from a practical perspective, since eServices doesn't recognize the dependency and
NESA would break that as well.

Not bad overall - you might want to mention all the cross-sign offs between ratings (i.e. they aren't really 100% linear)

FYI - The ES patch may also be worn on flight suits and utilities.

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Duke Dillio

It's not a supplement but rather a policy letter issued by the Director of Emergency Services in 2008.  I have not had the opportunity to discuss the issue with him (he is now the wing operations officer.)  If you'd like a copy of the letter, PM me and I will send it to you.

Basically, I believe the way that it works is that when you submit your GTM-3 qualification, the wing will deny if you do not already have UDF.  I also believe it was because the wing saw an issue with ground teams that were unable to DF beacons properly.

Good catch on the ES patch, I will get that fixed as well.

Spaceman3750

#28
Quote from: GoneAway on January 19, 2012, 03:27:14 AM
It's not a supplement but rather a policy letter issued by the Director of Emergency Services in 2008.  I have not had the opportunity to discuss the issue with him (he is now the wing operations officer.)  If you'd like a copy of the letter, PM me and I will send it to you.

Basically, I believe the way that it works is that when you submit your GTM-3 qualification, the wing will deny if you do not already have UDF.  I also believe it was because the wing saw an issue with ground teams that were unable to DF beacons properly.

Good catch on the ES patch, I will get that fixed as well.

If you have GTMs that can't DF, that's an issue when training the DF task. Whether you're going for UDF or GTM is irrelevant, because the core concepts are taught and evaluated exactly the same way. UDF gets more into triangulation and other mapwork, but on a ground team that's not the GTM3's job - that's the job of a GTM2+ or the GTL (it's not even on the 3 SQTR).

I would have been pretty PO'd if I was in your wing at that time. DOS's don't get to change the training progression on a whim and they certainly don't get to do it in a "policy letter" (which is merely an end-run around the supplement approval system).

Duke Dillio

Well, it happened before I got back into this wing.  I understand what they were trying to do but you would have to see the letter to really get a grasp of what they were up to.  This is one of the problems you run into when you have pilots who don't really know a whole lot about ground operations making decisions that affect ground ops.  When I get some time to discuss the matter, I will do so but right now I am just in the process of getting some people trained.  Per WMU, there are like three or four GTL's in the state and I trained two of them this last year.  Since I am not on wing staff, I am simply going around the state and providing training for those who ask.  Unfortunately, I am also working on chartering a squadron at the same time....


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