Civil Air Patrol Members Registering for The Selective Service System

[RADIOMAN015]

See:  http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart.pdf
Looks like if you are a CAP male member, age 18 thru 25 years old, ya better register.

Hmm kind of strange that they would have to put it in "Who Must Register" Chart under category "Civil Air Patrol Members".

I would imagine that perhaps some CAP members were confused as to their required status in the selective service system :angel:
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[DC]

I don't see anything wrong with the clarification. I would never assume that CAP members would be exempt from registering, but hey, now I know for sure.

Nothing to see here...

[Eclipse]

Who would be confused?

[SARDOC]

I like the fact that Illegal Immigrants have to register for the draft too...interesting

[jimmydeanno]

There are many of our members who confuse our role as part of the whole force structure of the Air Force.  This may lead members that are in the age range to be confused as to whether or not they have to register for the draft if they are already "serving."

[JC004]

Why is this a topic?  This isn't news.  We (Selective Service System) have had this on the list for many years.  Almost all males must register unless the military already has you, you're locked up, you're in a hospital/institution, or you're here for a short time on your visa. 

It's there for clarification with other military-related things.  I talked about its appearance on the list with my SSS region people when I received my initial training, since CAP was on my application.  It's nothing exciting.  Really.

This sounds like bait for a wannabes thread.

[JeffDG]

I like the fact that Illegal Immigrants have to register for the draft too...interesting

Well...

All males residing in the US, except for those on temporary status (like F1, L1, H1b, TN1) must register.  That leaves citizens, lawful permanent residents (green card holders) and illegal aliens needing to register.

[Eclipse]

Why is this a topic?

It's raining in the NE...

[RiverAux]

I also think that it is interesting that Civil Air Patrol members are listed, but not Coast Guard Auxiliary or State Defense Force members.  SDFs members in particular, probably should be listed as I think that would be a much more fertile area for confusion than CAP. 

I wonder if this is something that we should have a checkbox on the CAP application for? 

[JeffDG]

I also think that it is interesting that Civil Air Patrol members are listed, but not Coast Guard Auxiliary or State Defense Force members.  SDFs members in particular, probably should be listed as I think that would be a much more fertile area for confusion than CAP. 

I wonder if this is something that we should have a checkbox on the CAP application for?

And what, exactly, would that checkbox say?

[sarmed1]

Firstly I have to wonder if the was perhaps a point where CAP members didnt have to register, hence why it was added to the list.
Of more interest; a member of the Reserve or National Guard has to be registered..... I can see it now.  "No sir I wont be able to deploy with the rest of the reserve squadron next month as it seems I have been drafted into the US Army for Active Duty.  Yes I will be reporting to basic training, no I assume I will still be and E5......"


mk

[RiverAux]

And what, exactly, would that checkbox say?

Have you registered for selective service?

Or something similar.  I've seen it on many employment applications over the years.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Firstly I have to wonder if the was perhaps a point where CAP members didnt have to register, hence why it was added to the list.
Of more interest; a member of the Reserve or National Guard has to be registered..... I can see it now.  "No sir I wont be able to deploy with the rest of the reserve squadron next month as it seems I have been drafted into the US Army for Active Duty.  Yes I will be reporting to basic training, no I assume I will still be and E5......"


mk

That would make a great news story!

[RADIOMAN015]

Why is this a topic?  This isn't news.  We (Selective Service System) have had this on the list for many years.  Almost all males must register unless the military already has you, you're locked up, you're in a hospital/institution, or you're here for a short time on your visa. 

It's there for clarification with other military-related things.  I talked about its appearance on the list with my SSS region people when I received my initial training, since CAP was on my application.  It's nothing exciting.  Really.

This sounds like bait for a wannabes thread.

Trust me I wasn't even researching this for any angle on CAP members, happen to be on a former joint command website that I was assigned to and they had a link, so frankly I was wondering how this system was operating since there's no longer is a draft and I got my answer.   

It still is strangely interesting that CAP would be specifically listed.
RM 

[JC004]

Firstly I have to wonder if the was perhaps a point where CAP members didnt have to register, hence why it was added to the list.
Of more interest; a member of the Reserve or National Guard has to be registered..... I can see it now.  "No sir I wont be able to deploy with the rest of the reserve squadron next month as it seems I have been drafted into the US Army for Active Duty.  Yes I will be reporting to basic training, no I assume I will still be and E5......"


mk

It has to do with the classification of having completed ACTIVE DUTY (which I believe is a 4-A classification) service, therefore meeting your service obligation and having a legitimate claim to exemption.  Being in the National Guard, for instance, doesn't qualify you for an exemption from being drafted UNLESS you served on active duty.  Interestingly, service on active duty to certain other countries qualifies.  This was a matter of some debate at my Selective Service training, but it is law.  Congress can amend things related to this, though.

Something that may be interesting, which I learned about in my training:  There is a system called the Healthcare Personnel Delivery System.  It allows for the drafting of men and women in certain medical specialties.  If this were implemented, women would need to march themselves down to the post office if they fell into those specialties.

[JeffDG]

And what, exactly, would that checkbox say?

Have you registered for selective service?

Or something similar.  I've seen it on many employment applications over the years.

And what of those who have never registered, and were never required (or even able) to register?

[RiverAux]

And what, exactly, would that checkbox say?

Have you registered for selective service?

Or something similar.  I've seen it on many employment applications over the years.

And what of those who have never registered, and were never required (or even able) to register?

Well, if they haven't registered and are required to do so we tell them to come back when they are.  If they aren't then a simple
"not applicable" box could be provided.  Keep in mind that if they are required to register and they haven't then they've broken the law and given this law's relevance to the military services that CAP supports, I think it is a reasonable thing to address.  I think that at least at one time this was a standard question on federal job applications, but its been a while since I've filled one out (it may have been on the paperwork you fill out after being hired).

[JC004]

It is on federal job applications because you can't get a federal job if you are not in compliance with this law. 

I don't know that CAP really needs to be involved with the application process.  Compliance is good already.  Maybe cadets can get a friendly e-mail reminder or something when they're almost to their 18th birthday because it could haunt their lives if they don't.

[Майор Хаткевич]

It is on federal job applications because you can't get a federal job if you are not in compliance with this law. 

I don't know that CAP really needs to be involved with the application process.  Compliance is good already.  Maybe cadets can get a friendly e-mail reminder or something when they're almost to their 18th birthday because it could haunt their lives if they don't.

I'm actually surprised how BAD the reminders are. IIRC, you could register online 3 months before turning 18. I tried, and the system didn't have ANY information on me.

I was finally able to get it done 3 months AFTER turning 18.

I had friends who did not have it done, AND got to vote in the 2008 election with out it. In fact, some of those friends, STILL don't have the card...even having voted and changed driver's licenses.

[Daniel]

I just recently turned 18.

Although I registered when I was 17 1/2. That form was sooooo short.. I was like "Is that it?" I don't know why anyone wouldn't register..