CAP Award Ribbons Seen Elsewhere

[Guardrail]

I've noticed something interesting – CAP award ribbons seen elsewhere as ribbons of awards for the State Defense Forces/State Guard Association/National Guard.  Here they are:

South Carolina State Guard Longevity Service Medal = CAP Disaster Relief Ribbon

South Carolina Good Conduct Ribbon = CAP National Cadet Competition Ribbon

California State Military Reserve Emergency Training Ribbon = CAP Cadet Recruiter Ribbon

Alabama SDF SGT Dixie Club-B Ribbon = CAP Search & Rescue Participation Ribbon

Indiana Guard Reserve Community Service Ribbon = CAP Arnold Achievement Ribbon

Ohio Military Reserve Search and Rescue Ribbon = CAP Unit Citation Ribbon

State Guard Association Service Award = CAP Bronze Medal of Valor

New York National Guard Exercise Support Ribbon = CAP Cadet Advisory Council Ribbon

Hawaii National Guard Operation Kokua Ribbon = CAP Encampment Ribbon

Missouri National Guard Recruiting and Retention Ribbon = CAP Senior Recruiter Ribbon

Montana National Guard Volunteer Campaign Medal = CAP IACE Ribbon

Sources:

http://www.scsg.org/awards.htm

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/awards.htm

http://al-sdf.org/Index.html

http://mdisdf.org/ribbons.htm

http://ohmr.ohio.gov/docs/awards.htm

http://www.sgaus.org/AwardsNEW.htm

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/dmna/awards/index.html

http://www.armyawards.com/arng/hi/hiawards.shtml

http://www.armyawards.com/arng/mo/moawards.shtml

http://www.armyawards.com/arng/mt/mtawards.shtml

[Major Carrales]

Someone call Vanguard and CAPNHQ...

Improper uses of CAP items!!!!!!!!!! 

[RiverAux]

Are you sure CAP didn't steal the ribbon from them in the first place? 

Besides, just how many different color combinations can you put on one of these ribbons?  Wouldn't be surprising to me if someone independently chose a design already in use.

[lordmonar]

Where exactly is the natioal/international registration of military type awards board (NIRMTAB)?

CAP does not have a monopoly on the colorful ribbons.  Heck go see paradestore.com and they have a whole laundry list of stock ribbons for anyone to make their own ribbon racks.

Back in the day...Starfleet Marines (a trekie geek group) used to use CAP ribbons and told their people to order them from CAPMART.  Evidently CAP asked them to stop.

[Guardrail]

Now I have to ask...

What if you have a senior member who is also a member of the Missouri National Guard and has rated both the CAP Senior Recruiter Ribbon and the Missouri National Guard Recruiting and Retention Ribbon?  Both ribbons look the same.

Same deal with a senior member has rated the IACE ribbon who is also in the Montana National Guard and has rated the Montana National Guard Volunteer Campaign Medal.  Both ribbons look exactly the same.   

That's the dilemma.   

[lordmonar]

Guard ribbons are not authorized for wear on CAP uniforms and CAP ribbons are not authorized for wear on guard uniforms.

So where is the dilemma?

[DNall]

Evidently CAP asked them to stop.

Good.

The one that I don't like is:

CAP SaR ribbon


AF Presidential Unit Citation

Yeah I see the frame, but it looks wierd.

[Guardrail]

Guard ribbons are not authorized for wear on CAP uniforms and CAP ribbons are not authorized for wear on guard uniforms.

So where is the dilemma?

Then apparently the picture I saw of a CAP Lt Col wearing his guard ribbons was of an officer out of uniform regulations.  It is somewhere in one of the posts on this site.

It is interesting that guard ribbons are authorized on AF service/service dress uniforms by guardsmen on Title 10 (traditional guard) status, but they are not authorized on AF uniforms worn by CAP members with distinctive CAP insignia.   So those senior members who are also guardsmen and have rated guard medals/ribbons cannot wear them on an AF uniform with CAP insignia.  Very interesting.

[DNall]

I think the post you saw was probably of a Wg CC wearing unauth state awards, & posted to point that out. The same post would tell you that guardsmen are NOT allowed to wear state awards on extended (I think it was 60 or 90 days, something like that) federal active duty (title 10). 

[Guardrail]

I think the post you saw was probably of a Wg CC wearing unauth state awards, & posted to point that out. The same post would tell you that guardsmen are NOT allowed to wear state awards on extended (I think it was 60 or 90 days, something like that) federal active duty (title 10). 

I know that guardsmen are not allowed to wear state guard awards/decorations on federal EAD, sir.  Just making the point that CAP does not allow any guard decorations on the AF service/service dress uniforms for CAP.  By the way, I thought Title 32 was EAD?

[JohnKachenmeister]

But...

SDF's are allowed to wear state ribbons and they are also permitted to wear CAP awards.

[DNall]

federal is 10, state is 32. Guard has a dif uniform board process. They have state level uniform boards that approve wear of state awards. It's effectively the same thing as your Wg CC allowing cadets to wear certain cords, but not out of state. Same thing with the guard. It's fine on state duty, and AF recognizes it's a massive pain to change your rack, so they give you a grace period & don't force you to fix it to AF standards unless you're going to be around for a good while. It's not that big a deal.

SDF's are allowed to wear state ribbons and they are also permitted to wear CAP awards.

Never heard of them wearing CAP awards. I wouldn't mind CAP authorizing the MEMS badge. That looks like a pretty good program & good way to help build relations too.

[Guardrail]

But...

SDF's are allowed to wear state ribbons and they are also permitted to wear CAP awards.

Well sir, since CAP seems to be more akin to the SDF's than anything else, why can't CAP members wear SDF/State Guard ribbons and awards?  I can't figure this out.

Also, Florida SDF's may be able to wear CAP ribbons, but I'm not sure if that's the case for all SDF's.  One thing I know is that the New Mexico Wing is within the department of the New Mexico State Guard (SDF).  Source: www.nmsg-mil.us. 

[DNall]

U sure about that? U sure it's not CAP's MOU & state support is under the New Mexico dept of military affairs & overseen by TAG, who also commands ARNG, ANG, & SDF? Cause that's a more normal format. It think that's the case in four or five states.

[fyrfitrmedic]

Where exactly is the natioal/international registration of military type awards board (NIRMTAB)?

CAP does not have a monopoly on the colorful ribbons.  Heck go see paradestore.com and they have a whole laundry list of stock ribbons for anyone to make their own ribbon racks.

Back in the day...Starfleet Marines (a trekie geek group) used to use CAP ribbons and told their people to order them from CAPMART.  Evidently CAP asked them to stop.

CAPMART/Bookstore was selling 'em to that group for a number of years before someone dropped NHQ a line in re: the use of ribbons for costume items.

[JohnKachenmeister]

But...

SDF's are allowed to wear state ribbons and they are also permitted to wear CAP awards.

Well sir, since CAP seems to be more akin to the SDF's than anything else, why can't CAP members wear SDF/State Guard ribbons and awards?  I can't figure this out.

Also, Florida SDF's may be able to wear CAP ribbons, but I'm not sure if that's the case for all SDF's.  One thing I know is that the New Mexico Wing is within the department of the New Mexico State Guard (SDF).  Source: www.nmsg-mil.us. 

Florida doesn't have an SDF.  I served in Ohio's for a few years, and you could wear CAP ribbons and badges there.  The regs of the SDF's vary from state to state, but most take the model regulations from the State Guard Assn. of the US.

CAP is a federal organization under the USAF.  The USAF does not permit the wear of state awards on federal duty, but makes an exception for duty less than 60 days.  They didn't use to.  I remember the days have having a "State" and "Federal" ribbon rack.

[Guardrail]

CAP is a federal organization under the USAF.  The USAF does not permit the wear of state awards on federal duty, but makes an exception for duty less than 60 days.  They didn't use to.  I remember the days have having a "State" and "Federal" ribbon rack.

But sir, isin't CAP a federal organization (AF Auxiliary) when put on Title 10 status, and not the AF Auxiliary when put on Title 32 status?

[Guardrail]

U sure about that? U sure it's not CAP's MOU & state support is under the New Mexico dept of military affairs & overseen by TAG, who also commands ARNG, ANG, & SDF? Cause that's a more normal format. It think that's the case in four or five states.

I'm pretty sure, sir.  The website of the New Mexico State Guard (http://nmsg-mil.tripod.com/) states:

"The New Mexico State Guard is one of four military components of the Department of Military Affairs of the State of New Mexico.  The other three military components are the 111th M.E. Brigade (formerly known as the 111th Air Defense Artillery Brigade), the Army National Guard, and, the Air National Guard.

The New Mexico Wing of the Civil Air Patrol, an Auxillary of the United States Air Force, is also a division of the Department."

[SarDragon]

[DNall]

No, Actually CAP is always federal. Just that the govt can only be sued for what you do while under their orders. Just because you're not on a mission for them doesn't mean you're free from their rules or become an asset of the state. When we do state missions we are on loan from the feds & there is govt to govt coordination that happens before we start burning thier gas.

U sure about that? U sure it's not CAP's MOU & state support is under the New Mexico dept of military affairs & overseen by TAG, who also commands ARNG, ANG, & SDF? Cause that's a more normal format. It think that's the case in four or five states.

I'm pretty sure, sir.  The website of the New Mexico State Guard (http://nmsg-mil.tripod.com/) states:

"The New Mexico State Guard is one of four military components of the Department of Military Affairs of the State of New Mexico.  The other three military components are the 111th M.E. Brigade (formerly known as the 111th Air Defense Artillery Brigade), the Army National Guard, and, the Air National Guard.

The New Mexico Wing of the Civil Air Patrol, an Auxillary of the United States Air Force, is also a division of the Department."

Right a division of teh Dept of Military Affairs, not a sub-unit under the SDF. Hey I might be wrong abou tthis, but I don't think so, and if I am then they got it wrong on the National Guard Bureau website (check the TAG bio).