How long for rank

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Lawyers probably just need to be left off these conversations since they are "special" in every way - their advanced promotions go direct to NHQ and never stop on the way up.

That statement is just not true. Promotions for legal officers go through the same channels as all other professional promotions, except Chaplain. (SQ-->GP-->WG)

[Eclipse]

Lawyers probably just need to be left off these conversations since they are "special" in every way - their advanced promotions go direct to NHQ and never stop on the way up.

That statement is just not true. Promotions for legal officers go through the same channels as all other professional promotions, except Chaplain. (SQ-->GP-->WG)

35-5 agrees with you, so this must be a change, though it is not grayed as such.
When I promoted my unit's Legal Officer to Major, the 2 went direct to national, as per procedure, which at the time wrankled feathers.  If I have time I'll find the old reg and text.

Lawyers probably just need to be left off these conversations since they are "special" in every way - their advanced promotions go direct to NHQ and never stop on the way up.

Edit: No longer the case if it ever was. Can't substantiate this back two revs of 35-5, though I processed one that way. They are exempt from all PD, but have to go to the Legal College for Lt. Col.

[SarDragon]

You'll need to go back to a paper pub.

From CAPR 35-5:
1 Dec 2002 (Supersedes CAPR 35-5, 4 November 2001)
26. Promotions.
a. After initial appointment, professional personnel may be eligible for future promotions by satisfying the requirements outlined in paragraph 11, except:
1) Health service personnel and legal officers are exempt from senior member training requirements after Level I and CPPT. Legal officers, however, must complete the National Legal Officers' College prior to promotion to the grade of lieutenant colonel.

6 May 2002
No change for legal officers

21 Aug 2004
No change for legal officers

21 Aug 2008
No change for legal officers
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1 Dec 2002
34. Promotion/Demotion Procedures.
a. Recommendations for promotion or demotion will be initiated by the senior member's immediate superior on a CAPF 2 and will be forwarded through channels to the appropriate commander having final approving authority. Commanders will personally sign the CAPFs 2; this authority may not be delegated to a staff officer.
b. When the final approving authority indicates his or her approval of the promotion demotion by signing the CAPF 2, the form then becomes the promotion or demotion order. The approved CAPF 2 will be returned through channels to the senior member concerned. The member's unit personnel records will be annotated to show his or her new grade. Since FO promotions are approved at the local levels, these grades are not recorded by National Headquarters and are not reflected on the membership card.
c. CAPFs 2 will be submitted to the approving authority in the number of copies he or she directs.

No changes in this paragraph in subsequent editions.

Emphasis mine.

[edit]
FWIW, the 15 May 1984 edition has the same para a. text.

[Eclipse]

It may have just been my failed recollection of the lack of PD requirement, but I know we sent it direct to NHQ, and it was signed by them and approved.

[keystone102]

I remember in the 70's that the approving authority sent the form 2 to Natl Hq. At Maxwell they would stamp the form 2 and create a ID card with the new rank.

[JC004]

drmustang66:
You touched a nerve that exists in CAP, of which you are probably not deeply familiar because you are new at this.  In general, a lot of people have bad experiences with people coming into CAP, getting a pretty automatic promotion to a high grade while other people bust their butts while they wait.  Part of that bad experience is that it seems many of these people suck at being officers and/or know nothing about CAP. 

One of the things we were working on for the new command was looking at this sensitive issue and at least looking at proposing, say, a requirement that everyone getting a promotion to Capt or above take CAP Officer Basic Course.  This issue comes up on CAPTalk often and it was submitted for our consideration for what would have been the new National Commander by a very high-ranking individual.  So I'm saying that this not only hits a nerve locally but goes ALL THE WAY UP as an issue.  It is a big deal to people.  People see a Major walking around CLUELESS.  People on CAPTalk care about this, your average member cares about this, colonels care about this, and generals care about this.

EVERYONE ELSE:
BE NICE.  This is starting to be a problem on CAPTalk and we may need to address this from the moderator level of things.  When we get a new member here, try to take a breath.  THIS GOES FOR EVERYBODY and is a GENERAL statement.  Calm the heck down. 

For example, we are looking at a guy who comes here and it appears is reading the regulation as if "this is what you have to do to be a a Captain," and seems to feel like other requirements are being added against the regulation and he isn't even being TOLD what's going on.

Someone without CAP or military experience is not likely to see immediately the perspective of how promotions are done (not being automatic), sees the requirement as met, whatever. 

TRY TO UNDERSTAND, GET INFORMATION ON THEIR PERSPECTIVE, AND GUIDE THEM TO UNDERSTANDING.  Be freaking nice.  We have enough RETENTION PROBLEMS IN CAP and since it appears that these issues aren't going to be addressed nationally with some seriousness anytime soon, why don't we try giving a NICE place for people to come to on CAPTalk?

[lordmonar]

How does a degree in psychology relate to being an AEO?

Did you miss the little bit about him being a professor for 10 years?

On a side note and completely unrelated to drmustang, if a professor of underwater basket weaving comes in and tries to teach an AE class, odds are he'll fall flat on his face. An A&P would be a better choice for an AEO based on technical knowledge and would have far less education. So, how does someone with a degree in, and I'm assuming professor of, psychology work effectively as an AEO? Not saying it's impossible, just saying that the deck is severely stacked against them.

Well there are degree and and there are degrees.

A professor is a professional educator.  As such he is trained in teaching.....he may specialise in underwater basket weaving.

The world's greatest A&P mechanic may be the worlds worst instructor. 

So I would say that you are flat out wrong on your assessment. 

I have seem many more experts in their fields who were complete hacks when it came to passing on that knowledge......but I have seen great teachers with only a working knowledge of their subject matter excell at passing on that information.