Question about ROA

[HGjunkie]

I have an odd situation with the BCUT training.

I've taken the course twice, and unless it's not the entire course (I've seen a powerpoint presentation and had a classroom activity) I've never been qualified for BCUT into any database I have access to (eServices, FLWG ROA query). I've also talked to my CC about this, and haven't been able to find out why I've never been put into the system as BCUT qualified.

Anyone have an idea? Thanks.

[Al Sayre]

Most likely, because it's fairly new to OpsQuals as a separate qualification, and you haven't done an SQTR that required it.

[HGjunkie]

Probably should elaborate on the training environments: The first time was a class during encampment for the staff for about 4 hours, and the second time was during a UDF training day for about an hour.

[SarDragon]

Has it ever been documented at Wing? Do you have a physical BCUT card? If so, put it into the system. See below.

All that may be OBE, depending on your wing. Here in CAWG, BCUTs are only good for two years.

The old entry into the SQTRs was done by the member, and validated by your ESO or CC.

Now, there's a specific place to document it, and the capacity to upload a scanned document, which you, as the member, should do. Again, validation is done by the ESO or CC.

[HGjunkie]

I never got a card showing I did the class. I *think* I was supposed to be mailed one, but my memory is hazy on that part. So, I don't have the ability to upload a document. Guess I have to wait 'till the next BCUT class.

[SarDragon]

Is there any kind of record from the encampment? Somebody, somewhere, should have a record.

[HGjunkie]

Is there any kind of record from the encampment? Somebody, somewhere, should have a record.

I have no clue. I signed a piece of paper saying I attended the class, but I don't know if that's even in existence anymore.

[vento]

Does FLWG use WMU?

We in CAWG still use this piece of old technology to record and track ROA and every member can print a new ROA card from the WMU.

[ol'fido]

Here in IL, there is a list put out by wing of persons authorized to teach and sign off on BCUT/ACUT training. Unless you BCUT is done or proctored by one of those individuals(or SETs), it will not count. In your wing, IDK.

[HGjunkie]

Does FLWG use WMU? 

No clue.

Here in IL, there is a list put out by wing of persons authorized to teach and sign off on BCUT/ACUT training. Unless you BCUT is done or proctored by one of those individuals(or SETs), it will not count. In your wing, IDK.

Never seen a list like that. But, I think the individuals who proctored the classes were well qualified to teach it (A Comms officer and an IC).

[ol'fido]

The problem is qualified versus authorized.

[HGjunkie]

The problem is qualified versus authorized.

Ahh, understood.

It's no biggie, I can wait until the next ROA class comes around my area and go to that. I just wish the previous classes had been documented in some way.

[sneakers]

I've been through 2 BCUT classes myself, and though others got the cards, I never did. But then, my Wing staff isn't known for being organized. They lose paperwork CONSTANTLY! 

[FastAttack]

if you are not on this list you do not have an ROA:

http://roa.communimatics.com/

gl

[Al Sayre]

if you are not on this list you do not have an ROA:

http://roa.communimatics.com/

gl

That's FL wing specific.  It doesn't show mine and I have both BCUT & ACUT

[DH]

Several things to consider here.
1st, ROA is Radio Operator Authorization. Radio operators are "authorized" by the Wing DC or designee. Once authorized, a member's authorization can be revoked by a Wing or higher Commander. The question of authorization should be directed to the Wing Director of Communication for answer.

An ROA card was required under the old CAP Reg. 100-1. It is no longer required as long as the Wing maintains a data base.

2nd, minimum training required for an ROA is BCUT. Completion of BCUT does not  necessarily grant authorization. Wings may allow automatic authorization if they choose, but are not required to do so.

It has only recently (in CAP terms) been set up so that BCUT and ACUT can show up on the 101 cards. Many Wings, including mine, are working through a backlog of training records. Again, this shows training completed, not necessarly authorization.

Short answer, email the DC for guidance, preferrably through the Unit Communications Officer so that everyone is one the same page.

[lordmonar]

If they have successfully completed the training.....why aren't they authorised to use radios?

This sort of thing is why CAP communications program really get's my blood boiling.

[arajca]

if you are not on this list you do not have an ROA:

http://roa.communimatics.com/

gl

That's FL wing specific.  It doesn't show mine and I have both BCUT & ACUT

The OP is from FLWG.

[HGjunkie]

I checked the communimatics site, I'm listed nowhere in it.

[lordmonar]

If you got proof of you BCUT and ACUT you can enter it into E-Services yourself.