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 21 
 on: Today at 10:27:27 AM 
Started by Picy3 - Last post by Eclipse
- literally all they have to do is what they’re told. It’s a followership and peer leadership course. Right place, right time, right uniform,
right gear, right attitude/mindset. None of that is contingent on having yet another piece of paper they don’t need and it’s not like
they can control the schedule anyway.  At the student level, just listen.

At the 50k level, I would agree, but at the micro it's just not the way most kids operate these days.  I see it as a parent, I see it
in the BSA, and I really see it in CAP, where I've had the most exposure to large-scale herding of cats that I don't know personally.

First, the average kid these days has zero mental downtime - the simply don't know what to do with themselves if they aren't
receiving that regular dopamine hit from their screens.  They aren't tuned for "pondering the wonders of the universe" in a quiet
moment, which means what they start doing is "thinking".  Thinking about being away from home, the bad food, how hot it is,
those stupid showers, etc., etc.

Couple that with the generalized anxiety most kids have these days, many with legit psychological disorders, and the fact that
"discomfort as a character builder" has been largely removed from the lexicon of the average American, and you have the seeds
of a spiral of "don't want to be here anymore", which can then manifest itself in everything from typical "ugh" to "behavioral or emotional
breakdowns" that result in the cadet being dismissed, or worse.

None of that is what the CP, or encampments is about. 

I'll meet you at Greenbuck's and happily debate with you the reason many kids are in the place they are today, but
that won't change the circumstance, nor is it something CAP is capable of fixing even at the Squadron level, let alone
a 1-week activity that is focused in a completely different direction.

Now, let's move on to the staff cadre, both cadet and senior.

At best it's a mix of "BTDT, general idea, & clueless newb", with a sprinkling of people who "know better".

My experience is with the Navy, both in direct contact and from many, many conversations (I wasn't in, only via CAP).
It takes 3-5+ years, plus direct and specific training to becoming an RDC, and not all of them are "good", same goes
generally for DIs, DSs, and MTIs.

They've had personal, successful service experience, direct training on how to mold a teenager into a service member,
and, perhaps most importantly, all went through basic training themselves.

I've seen more then a few "dogpiles" or "swarms", they aren't pretty, but the majority of the time, a raised voice or
3000psi stare with a correct comment is more then enough.

Now, compare that to the average encampment or even unit staffer in CAP.

     Wasn't a cadet, and probably no military experience.

     Inconsistent training or experience in working with adolescents, may not even be a parent.

     Watched plenty of movies.

     No relationship with the cadets in their charge beyond "good intentions" and "just met them".

The same is true of cadet cadre, even moreso, and more challenging because the cadets themselves
are also in training mode, sometimes have their own "issues", and the cadet who most needs their
help is "screwing up my honor flight".

Now, we're here. 

Cadet Timmy made it, it's all he could think about for weeks, mom and dad had an uphill climb
to have him accept the idea of being away from home for a week, but those first couple of days
are going to be on the ragged edge...

In this context people want to artificially raise the stress level or make things harder on the students
in some misguided attempt to "fix them?"

If you have to yell at a volunteer, something is wrong with the situation.

Period.


 22 
 on: Today at 10:27:17 AM 
Started by Picy3 - Last post by kwe1009
At our encampment last year "no yelling" was enforced for the first time probably ever.  Many of the older cadet staff grumbled about it but here is how it was explained to them:

1. This is not basic training and you are dealing with young teenagers trying to figure out how to salute, not training young adults to go to war.
2. "If you are yelling as a leader, then you are failing as a leader" was the theme from the Senior staff. 

After the third or fourth day some cadets were still complaining but it was brought up to them that the students were better trained at that point than they usually were at graduation so obviously not yelling was a positive.  We also got rid of the "extra" staff positions that serve zero purpose like "command chief." 


It’s a tool, not the tool.  It can be used in an age-appropriate manner to induce stress and build mental toughness. It’s not airplane camp where everyone rolls around in a Travolta bubble, it’s supposed to be difficult.


Where in CAPP 60-70 does it say that encampment is supposed to be difficult and induce stress and build mental toughness?  I suggest that you review para 1.1 of that document. 

I agree that encampment should not be overly easy but I don't see where yelling does any good.

 23 
 on: Today at 10:21:32 AM 
Started by Picy3 - Last post by Jester
I could go off topic regarding the whole “mercy sakes, don’t yell or call them ‘basics’” thing but I digress.
Me too. Sad.

Ya'll need to come out of the stoneage.  Yelling is counterproductive and not neccessary..

It’s a tool, not the tool.  It can be used in an age-appropriate manner to induce stress and build mental toughness. It’s not airplane camp where everyone rolls around in a Travolta bubble, it’s supposed to be difficult.


 24 
 on: Today at 09:48:10 AM 
Started by Picy3 - Last post by abdsp51
I could go off topic regarding the whole “mercy sakes, don’t yell or call them ‘basics’” thing but I digress.
Me too. Sad.

Ya'll need to come out of the stoneage.  Yelling is counterproductive and not neccessary..

 25 
 on: Today at 08:45:21 AM 
Started by GroundHawg - Last post by GroundHawg
Can anyone tell me the last year PJOC was held at Ft. Knox, and why that location was closed down?

I can only make assumptions.

 26 
 on: Today at 08:03:57 AM 
Started by darkmatter - Last post by darkmatter
Always wanted to partake in one but after looking at WMIRS there doesint they never seem to have a need for ground teams just pilots. Well atleast I know how to search for them now thanks.

 27 
 on: Today at 12:32:00 AM 
Started by Picy3 - Last post by OldGuy
I could go off topic regarding the whole “mercy sakes, don’t yell or call them ‘basics’” thing but I digress.
Me too. Sad.

 28 
 on: Today at 12:14:04 AM 
Started by Picy3 - Last post by Jester
Giving students (especially—gasp!—basic students) any more schedule information than a brief rundown every morning at opening formation is more trouble than it’s worth IMO.

- literally all they have to do is what they’re told. It’s a followership and peer leadership course. Right place, right time, right uniform, right gear, right attitude/mindset. None of that is contingent on having yet another piece of paper they don’t need and it’s not like they can control the schedule anyway.  At the student level, just listen.

- as mentioned, encampment schedules are typically fluid. Why give them something that has a high-to-certain chance of changing?

I could go off topic regarding the whole “mercy sakes, don’t yell or call them ‘basics’” thing but I digress.

 29 
 on: Yesterday at 11:17:14 PM 
Started by KPinAK - Last post by kwe1009
It it a school year.  The courses are designed to take place during a school year so a JROTC cadet would not be taking any classes most summers when school is out of session.

 30 
 on: Yesterday at 11:15:47 PM 
Started by huey - Last post by OldGuy
Good mentor-ship: in my first year back - scanner wings, level II twice. Absent mentor-ship - not so much!

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