Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
September 19, 2017, 10:02:03 PM
Home Help Login Register
News:

CAP Talk  |  Recent Posts
CAP Talk  |  Recent Posts
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 10

 11 
 on: Today at 07:16:56 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by Live2Learn
Would the PTB ('Powers That Be") wish to have some topical areas retained as 'guided discussions' while others are a bit more 'wild west'?  I wonder which would produce the most lively and interesting conversations?
The goal is not "lively and interesting conversations," the goal is to be a helpful resource to CAP members (and as TX CAP Mom points out, the parents of our cadets.) There is still room to provide constructive feedback and to find ways to improve CAP, but there is a difference between being simply grumbling about CAP and being solutions oriented to our problems.

Maybe ONE of the goals is to be helpful to TX CAP Mom.  Is that the sole purpose of CAPTalk? Should CAPTalk have some structured areas where conversations can be less than "lively and interesting"... ?? while others dig for more?   We should keep in mind that heavy handed "moderation" tends to produce the party line and little else.  FWIW, it's my observation that  boring is unlikely to attract, nor retain much interest or insightful participation.  Where would you propose justifiable critiques of CAP  (i.e. pointing out and exploring solutions to  'warts') be discussed?

 12 
 on: Today at 07:12:59 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by Eclipse
I've made the suggestion on a number of occasions that the forum be fully moderated,
including deleting individual messages instead of nuking / locking threads, that's never been popular.

Many have suggested the forum be fully authenticated and only open to members, that's always shot
down as "unworkable".

I've suggested that there be "ask and answer" only threads with no room for discussion - nope.

We also have people here who have blatantly violated the TOS and that's been ignored as well.

One non-trivial issue is that in regards to CAP regs and policies, there is rarely "one answer", either
because of wing differences, regulatory conflicts and incongruousness, or simply areas where it's a flavor
choice vs. a "hard-fast" (How many improper practices, bad ideas, and violations of regs, policies, and safety
have come from this board?)

I'm verbose, but I don't think I'm disrespectful, and in fact I try very hard to leave personalities
out of the discussions, and do my best to support my positions with facts, regs, or personal experience.

People these days want an echo chamber and an "agreement box".  If encountering a verbose disagreement is
considered to be "shouting down", well the world will be an exciting place at some point for you.

If the mods want to change the timbre here, so be it, your playground, but other then the occasional drive-by,
a heated but honest disagreement, or the occasional actual insult towards a real person rarely are people "disrespectful" here.

 13 
 on: Today at 06:34:57 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by GrantHenninger
Would the PTB ('Powers That Be") wish to have some topical areas retained as 'guided discussions' while others are a bit more 'wild west'?  I wonder which would produce the most lively and interesting conversations?
The goal is not "lively and interesting conversations," the goal is to be a helpful resource to CAP members (and as TX CAP Mom points out, the parents of our cadets.) There is still room to provide constructive feedback and to find ways to improve CAP, but there is a difference between being simply grumbling about CAP and being solutions oriented to our problems.

 14 
 on: Today at 06:00:21 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by Live2Learn
Maybe, just maybe, malcontents and grumblers serve a positive function by daring to point out warts that would otherwise be ignored.  We do, I believe, have an element of the GOB/GOG problem in CAP.  (GOB="Good 'ol Boy; GOG="Good ol' Girl).  I've certainly observed it in both subtle and less so ways in various situations.  It's human nature so we might as well accept it and move along.  After a bit most persons who participate on this or other forums begin to figure out which nom d plume is associated with substance, and which is not.  So, how is that substantively different from life outside of this virtual reality we call "CapTalk"?  IMHO, "moderation" is best performed with moderation and an eye toward maintaining civility.  It's not a great leap to wield the power of a 'moderator' to become merely a censor when unvarnished opinions are disappeared because they don't fit a perceived framework.  For example, the recent vanishing of an entire thread on the tragic CAP glider fiasco that resulted in three deaths and a substantial court award of damages. 

Would the PTB ('Powers That Be") wish to have some topical areas retained as 'guided discussions' while others are a bit more 'wild west'?  I wonder which would produce the most lively and interesting conversations? 

 15 
 on: Today at 05:13:15 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by TX CAP Mom
I agree with you as a complete newbie to CAP. I am still trying to navigate the waters with my son. CAP is not really a parent-friendly organization, and I'm actually fine with that. He doesn't need mommy holding his hand at meetings. But there are questions and details to be attended to that I am unable to find appropriate answers to. I have come here to see if I can find answers and found threads where someone may have asked. Often the comments are a grouchy "Google is your friend" or "Search 39-1!!" which for a newbie is completely overwhelming. In our squadron, most of the seniors don't have much interaction with the cadets it seems, and it can be difficult for a new parent to even know who to ask, but perhaps that's unique to us. I saw CAPtalk as a welcome resource for discussions about CAP.

I am happy to see that this may get addressed so that CAPtalk is a friendly, knowledgeable and informative place to discuss all things CAP, especially for the young cadets who join. They deserve some positivity.

 16 
 on: Today at 04:54:40 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by NIN
While in San Antonio at the National Conference, a number of times (enough that I noticed and started sort of keeping track) people mentioned CAPTalk in the same breath as some of the, uh, other sites that have their gaze fixed on CAP.

I mentioned this to Pylon recently, and we got to talking about it.

The original intent of CAPTalk was to provide a national-level venue for CAP members, cadets and seniors, to learn from each other. A place for members to have discussions where everyone could learn professionally from one another, share resources, best practices, ideas, comment on others' ideas, etc. A professional discussion community. A real resource.

I should know: I'm one of the "early adopters" here and most of the mods/admins here came from the CadetStuff forums (where we were highly CP focused only).  We actively suggested CAPTalk for "CAP-specific" discussions of ES, aerospace, and other non-CP focused things.

But to listen to people say things like "yeah, don't bother going to CAPTalk. Its a bunch of malcontents who just want to argue and complain" or "If you post there, some guy from Illinois will just shout you down" (seriously, someone said that..) forced me to evaluate what CAPTalk has become, prompting my discussion with Mike.   

I'm pretty sure that what CAPTalk has become today is pretty far from the "commander's intent" that Mike & Jerry had in mind circa 2005.

I mention this because I'm not sure everybody here wants to be painted with the same broad brush of "malcontentedness" (no, thats not a word!). I know for certain I don't want to participate in a place thats lumped into the same category as "those other sites."   I'd like to think that those people have some kind of an axe to grind, and that people here don't, but maybe I'm wrong.

So the question is: if thats the perception, what are we going to do about it as the people who make the community what it is?  Like living in that town that "has that reputation," are we interested in making it better, or worse?

Going forward, if CAP-Talk wants to remain relevant, I think a couple things have to happen:

- The moderation scheme needs to (over time) evolve into one that encourages discussion among people who are, you know, there to actually talk about CAP, but just absolutely crushes the "CAP sucks and I just want to vent my spleen about it to anybody who will listen to my screed" crowd.  (Some of these people are still members, and I swear I'm thinking to myself "If you hate CAP that much, why the hell are you still here?") The vitrol needs to be moderated, because its poisoning the well.

- The forum might benefit from the ability to "gild" comments and/or commenters.  Newbies will see immediately who the smart people you should be paying attention to are, and who the rabble rousers are, and what kind of discussion tone is well regarded and what kind is not preferred.  Then the "cream rises to the top," and to not mix my metaphors too much, "a rising tide lifts all boats" as it pertains to the quality and level of discourse.

Thats just a couple thoughts, but honestly gang, the vector along which CAPTalk is currently flying is going to be unsustainable for it to be considered any sort of a "resource" for CAP members.




 17 
 on: Today at 03:00:31 PM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by Pylon
You must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. EVERY. SINGLE.OP.HERE gets sidetracked, but there's always a core of good responses, and the discussions can lead to changing opinions as well. 


Thank you for providing me with an opportunity to highlight to the community the issue I just posted about. Instead of disagreeing with my moderating politely, we jumped right to the ad hominem about the side of bed I "must have woke[n] up on" today. This type of posting is not welcome here. Make note.


You're also right in that this has gone on far too long in nearly every single thread. You're wrong in that this is merely about threads that "get sidetracked" — wandering topics are not at issue. The tone, vitriol, in-fighting, belittling, snobbery, chastisement, and general maltreatment of other members and users is at issue.


This may be the first thread I've happened on since I've discussed these issues with other staff, but believe me — this is neither the only nor last thread where I'll be calling out this behavior.


CAPTalk was not created to be a platform of pomposity, bombast, and arrogance for a handful of CAP members or former members. It was designed to be a professional resource for all. The tolerance for this behavior stops now.


Not sure what your issue is today, specifically, but I'll take the advice, and take my internetting elsewhere from here on out.


Sounds good to all of us here at CAPTalk. Thank you.

 18 
 on: Today at 11:59:21 AM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by Майор Хаткевич
For those of you bickering about who can and can't fill out forms, I suggest you listen up: take your curmudgeonly nitpicking elsewhere.


This topic is different from any other OP how?

If a cadet had come to me with even an attempt at properly filling out a CAPF 2A requesting an award, I'd have been pretty darn proud that the cadet looked into the process of awards approval, learned something, and took initiative. I'd not have chastised him or her for their initiative or for "doing someone else's job." (because we all know there are tons of volunteer senior members in squadrons around the country complaining and ultimately leaving CAP because someone else was helping them do their work and there wasn't enough for them to do)



Which no one has said. As a matter of fact, I know in the past Eclipse encouraged me as a cadet to do just that.

Lastly, I've about had it with some of these types of derailment of legitimate discussions by members who came here for advice and insight. This happens far too often. I'm posting this publicly here rather than addressing individual members by PM because everybody needs to hear this: Knock. It. Off.  Some people are soon going to be invited to take their internetting elsewhere if this tone and direction of posting doesn't change.



You must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. EVERY. SINGLE.OP.HERE gets sidetracked, but there's always a core of good responses, and the discussions can lead to changing opinions as well. Not sure what your issue is today, specifically, but I'll take the advice, and take my internetting elsewhere from here on out.

 19 
 on: Today at 11:54:55 AM 
Started by PhoenixRisen - Last post by Майор Хаткевич
IIRC, CAPMART

 20 
 on: Today at 11:37:03 AM 
Started by FNelson - Last post by LSThiker
Edit:  I should read the whole thread because my post after Pylon's was pretty anti-climatic.  His post deserves a much better post after those words of wisdom.  Sorry, Pylon.

I am a cadet who is approaching my second year of service and the 60 hours I need for my volunteer service ribbon and I need help understanding the application processes to get recognized for both achievements. I was reading some past posts on this site and figured out that I needed to fill out a CAPF 2A which I began to do, but then I began to have some trouble understanding how to proceed. I selected the boxes for the Red Service Ribbon and the Cadet Community Service Ribbon in section III and the section at the bottom of the first page for the signatures. Now that I have done this do I need to just turn it to my squadron commander for approval or do I need to make sure it gets to other people higher up on the chain of command (Wing Level?).

FNelson,

I would like to reference you CAPR 39-3, Section F, Paragraph 19:

Quote
19. Administration Procedures for Award of Activity and Service Ribbons. The individual
member is responsible for preparing and submitting to the unit commander CAP Form 2a, Request
for and Approval of Personnel Actions, when the requirements for an activity or service ribbon have
been completed. The CAP Form 2a is then forwarded by the unit commander to the appropriate
approving authority. (If the unit commander has been delegated approving authority by the wing
commander as outlined in paragraph 18b, the unit commander simply approves the form and returns
it to the recipient for placement in the member’s personnel file.) Upon approval, activity and service
ribbons are purchased by the awarding unit or by the individual recipient, as appropriate.

Both the Community Service Ribbon and Red Service Ribbon are considered "Service Ribbons". 

For the approval, it is dependent on your wing and/or group.  These ribbons are approved by the Wing Commander by default, but may be delegated to the Squadron Commander. 

Quote
Wing commanders award activity and service ribbons to members of their staffs and to
members of units within their wings. Authority to award these activity and service ribbons may be
delegated to group and squadron commanders at the discretion of the wing commander

Therefore, it is best to fill out the CAPF 2a and submit to your chain of command.  They will know the routing.  Most likely, your Squadron Commander is the approval authority for these two awards. 

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 10
CAP Talk  |  Recent Posts


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP SMF 2.0.13 | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.323 seconds with 15 queries.
click here to email me