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Operations => Aerospace Education => Topic started by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 01:26:06 AM

Title: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 01:26:06 AM
Hello all,

I am SO GLAD I found this forum.

Prior to joining This squadron I had no real AE program to speak of.  I have an aviation background so I said I'm interested in the AE program.  Well, 30 days later, I was assigned to be the AEO.

I came in to my Squadron with no real experience teaching cadets. I was a cadet as a kid so I know how it's suppose to look (20 years ago).  I've given some lessons based on the modules, and have also done a few AEX.

My question is, what is the best way to please all the cadets?  The officers are bored, and the newb's are getting blasted with the fire hose. 

Also, coming up with lessons with not a lot of time to plan them (family and work) is challenging. 

I also need a good lesson (topic) for Tuesday nights meeting.  Nothing big.  Also could I get a suggestion on a fun project or activity to do with paper airplanes.

Thanks all,
Kurt
2nd Lt CO-143
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: SarDragon on March 03, 2014, 01:50:19 AM
Talk about this t-shirt.

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/computergear_2270_6345036)

Use the info in these Wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_coefficient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_coefficient)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(wing) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(wing))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_drag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_drag)
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 01:56:29 AM
I would.. but.. you should of seen the eye glaze when I tried to explain Magnetic Deviation and Variation...  The Chief actually said, no offense Lt Carlson but we're just a bunch of teenagers..

OMG  LOL....

KC
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 02:12:19 AM
SarDragon,

I do like the wingtip vorticies and wingtip device discussion.

KC
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: SarDragon on March 03, 2014, 02:19:05 AM
Quote from: kcarlson on March 03, 2014, 01:56:29 AM
I would.. but.. you should of seen the eye glaze when I tried to explain Magnetic Deviation and Variation...  The Chief actually said, no offense Lt Carlson but we're just a bunch of teenagers..

OMG  LOL....

KC

Yeah, that's teenagers being lazy, to a certain extent.

Was the material presented at their level? I would teach that concept very differently to teens than I would to adults.

You gotta tell them why it's useful to them, first, then how to use the info. Use a little humour, and get them involved in the presentation. Ask questions as you go along.

In general, check out AFMAN 36-2236 - Guidebook for Air Force Instructors (http://www.cawgcap.org/members/publications/publications-1/manuals-handbooks-a-instructions/other-manuals/184-afman-36-2236-guidebook-for-air-force-instructors/file) , specifically Chapters 13 and 14. It's a lot to digest, but that's how "The Pros From Dover" get it done.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: SarDragon on March 03, 2014, 02:21:30 AM
I showed up to a senior squadron meeting wearing the t-shirt, and then discussed it for about 15 minutes. It went over well, and got a fair number of Qs from the non-pilot portion of the group.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 02:27:43 AM
Thanks. 

I'm not a dry speaker by any means.  But I am still getting my speaking under control.  Practice practice practice.

So how would you explain that shirt?

Kc
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 02:57:20 AM
Hey SarDragon,

Thanks for the link to the AF doc.  Man, your right, that is a lot to absorb but I'm sure it will be useful.

KC



Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: CAP_truth on March 03, 2014, 02:58:45 AM
National website has numerous modules on AE, lesson plans for schools that could be used. Also enroll in AEX program. If you need assistant contact your wing's DAE for help.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: SarDragon on March 03, 2014, 03:05:43 AM
Quote from: kcarlson on March 03, 2014, 02:27:43 AM
Thanks. 

I'm not a dry speaker by any means.  But I am still getting my speaking under control.  Practice practice practice.

So how would you explain that shirt?

Kc

For cadets?

Ask how many think it's a kool shirt.

Use a white board or easel chart to write on, and discuss the different parts of the equation. Point out that lift increases at a higher rate with an increase in speed than it does with wing area. Use the planform of three planes - a glider, a Cessna 1xx, and an F-104 - to show how wing shape affects lift (aspect ratio). Introduce induced drag. Move on to wing tip devices.

Make it as long or short as you think you need. I had 15 minutes, so I didn't go very in depth. Ask overhead Qs - Why do you think X happens? What's the difference between Y and Z? Get them involved in the discussion.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: UH60guy on March 03, 2014, 03:25:39 AM
I did a lesson once on helicopters, and we got into talking about design trade offs and why jack of all trades aircraft are never really that great at everything. I sensed a future lesson there and maybe you can run with it. Bear with me here, I'll tie that in to your wing stuff... I apologize for random thoughts on advance too, I'm typing on the iPhone.

Start the class by asking what the best aircraft is, and have cadets explain their answers. Most will say something like F-22 or some other popular fighter. Notice a fighter can't carry tons of cargo like a C-5, which in turn can't make a short field landing like a C-130, which can't carry as many passengers as a 747, and so on. This demonstrates that any aircraft is designed around a capability- that's why we have passenger planes, spy planes, fighters, bombers, and more- most of those are great at one thing but bad at others.

Use something like that to take it into a design exercise- you can talk about wing shapes (high aspect ratio for cruising, swept for maneuverability, dihedral for stability, etc) and have the cadets help you "design" a few aircraft on a white board.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: SarDragon on March 03, 2014, 03:47:35 AM
That's a good lesson on its own, or as a follow-on to the wings material. "Why are helicopter rotor blades long and skinny? You can spin them faster if they are shorter."
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 04:39:13 AM
Quote from: CAP_truth on March 03, 2014, 02:58:45 AM
National website has numerous modules on AE, lesson plans for schools that could be used. Also enroll in AEX program. If you need assistant contact your wing's DAE for help.

Great brainstorming guys!  I like it!

I've taught out of the AEX books.  It's all good stuff. 

Thanks for the tips.




Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 03, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on March 03, 2014, 01:50:19 AM
Talk about this t-shirt.

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/computergear_2270_6345036)

Use the info in these Wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_coefficient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_coefficient)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(wing) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(wing))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_slats)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_drag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_drag)

Also check this one out for an easier understanding.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0015b.shtml (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0015b.shtml)

Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: Aggie94 on March 03, 2014, 05:51:29 PM
Look at AE modules and the hands on activities. I have found the more active the cadets they will stay involved in the lesson. The other is have fun. If you are excited about the lesson the cadets will be too.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: NC Hokie on March 04, 2014, 12:40:14 AM
There's been a lot of good info shared so far, but I specifically want to address this statement:

Quote from: kcarlson on March 03, 2014, 01:26:06 AM
My question is, what is the best way to please all the cadets?  The officers are bored, and the newb's are getting blasted with the fire hose.

There's not much you can do about things if teaching from the AE modules is a fire hose for the newer cadets, but the fix for the bored officers is pretty easy.

"Hey there, Cadet Captain Bored, you'll be teaching aerospace education next month.  Here's the material, and I expect to see a copy of your lesson plan two weeks from today.  Don't laugh Cadet Lieutenant Giggles, you're next."
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: flyboy_x on March 04, 2014, 01:02:08 AM
Awesome!   Awesome!  I like it.
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: BFreemanMA on March 04, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
Also, NHQ has a free STEM kit program whereby squadron AEOs can order a ready-to-go kit that their squadron can work on. The ladies running the program are absolutely fantastic, and the kits are very well done and can easily spark a cadet's interest in STEM topics. The link for more information and to order can be found on eServices under STEM kits. If you have any questions, let me know, as I am a happy customer!
Title: Re: New AEO
Post by: Cliff_Chambliss on March 04, 2014, 07:39:24 PM
here is a well developed site for aerodynamics.

http://www.av8n.com/how/ (http://www.av8n.com/how/)
or

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/index.html (http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/index.html)

Also, if you are into Powerpoint, you can go to http://thecfi.com (http://thecfi.com) and find tons of FAA Safety Seminar presentations (as well as links to the above two sites).