The Leatherman Tread

[Eclipse]

The GUDFT is not a reg, and regardless it only governs GTMs and UDFTs during ES.

There is no current all-encompassing regulation with regards to members possessing knives,
other then the very generic prohibition regard "dangerous weapons" - it's arguable
that a knife with a 5" blade is a "dangerous weapon", few would argue that it has any use
or propriety while in CAP uniform during normal meetings and other similar activities.

[Storm Chaser]

Each state have different laws regarding knives. GTLs should be familiar with those laws which apply in their state and make sure their team members are in compliance.

[C/Cool]

The GUDFT is not a reg, and regardless it only governs GTMs and UDFTs during ES.

There is no current all-encompassing regulation with regards to members possessing knives,
other then the very generic prohibition regard "dangerous weapons" - it's arguable
that a knife with a 5" blade is a "dangerous weapon", few would argue that it has any use
or propriety while in CAP uniform during normal meetings and other similar activities.

I realize it is not a reg though I may have said reg earlier. It is just what I found and about all I could find on knife regulations. I would happily discontinue wear of my "dangerous weapons" if someone at my local squadron would say something. I have asked all my senior members including the Squadron Commander and they all said wearing it was not a problem.

[Eclipse]

I have asked all my senior members including the Squadron Commander and they all said wearing it was not a problem.

Then it's not a problem...

[C/Cool]

I have asked all my senior members including the Squadron Commander and they all said wearing it was not a problem.

Then it's not a problem...

I am not sure where we started misunderstanding each other... I was just having friendly talk about cool gadgets and knives then we got sidetracked about regs again. Seems to happen pretty often 

[lordmonar]

I have asked all my senior members including the Squadron Commander and they all said wearing it was not a problem.

Then it's not a problem...

+1 

[Eclipse]

I am not sure where we started misunderstanding each other... I was just having friendly talk about cool gadgets and knives then we got sidetracked about regs again. Seems to happen pretty often

You felt it was important that we all know you carry at least two knives on you most days, sometimes more, and
one of them has a 5-inch blade.

That's generally a red flag when anyone is carrying something that big, especially in an urban area, but more so when it's a cadet.
If you need it to castrate cows or clear the back 40 or whatever, but "a problem" or not, discretion in leaving it at home
for meeting nights is probably a good suggestion.  Perhaps a small, inexpensive folder for those nights when you fear ninjas after PT.

But again, there's no specific prohibition.

[C/Cool]

I am not sure where we started misunderstanding each other... I was just having friendly talk about cool gadgets and knives then we got sidetracked about regs again. Seems to happen pretty often

You felt it was important that we all know you carry at least two knives on you most days, sometimes more, and
one of them has a 5-inch blade.

That's generally a red flag when anyone is carrying something that big, especially in an urban area, but more so when it's a cadet.
If you need it to castrate cows or clear the back 40 or whatever, but "a problem" or not, discretion in leaving it at home
for meeting nights is probably a good suggestion.  Perhaps a small, inexpensive folder for those nights when you fear ninjas after PT.

But again, there's no specific prohibition.

We usually use razor blades to do the castrating but... I see your point.  I might need something a little larger for the ninjas. So lets go back to the original topic now that we have cleared this up.

[Storm Chaser]

I am not sure where we started misunderstanding each other... I was just having friendly talk about cool gadgets and knives then we got sidetracked about regs again. Seems to happen pretty often

You felt it was important that we all know you carry at least two knives on you most days, sometimes more, and
one of them has a 5-inch blade.

That's generally a red flag when anyone is carrying something that big, especially in an urban area, but more so when it's a cadet.
If you need it to castrate cows or clear the back 40 or whatever, but "a problem" or not, discretion in leaving it at home
for meeting nights is probably a good suggestion.  Perhaps a small, inexpensive folder for those nights when you fear ninjas after PT.

But again, there's no specific prohibition.

We usually use razor blades to do the castrating but... I see your point.  I might need something a little larger for the ninjas. So lets go back to the original topic now that we have cleared this up.

Have we?

I guess it doesn't really need  one. I usually have over 2 knives on my person at all times so... Pretty cool idea!

And why do you need "over 2 knives" [sic] on you "at all times"?

[C/Cool]

I am not sure where we started misunderstanding each other... I was just having friendly talk about cool gadgets and knives then we got sidetracked about regs again. Seems to happen pretty often

You felt it was important that we all know you carry at least two knives on you most days, sometimes more, and
one of them has a 5-inch blade.

That's generally a red flag when anyone is carrying something that big, especially in an urban area, but more so when it's a cadet.
If you need it to castrate cows or clear the back 40 or whatever, but "a problem" or not, discretion in leaving it at home
for meeting nights is probably a good suggestion.  Perhaps a small, inexpensive folder for those nights when you fear ninjas after PT.

But again, there's no specific prohibition.

We usually use razor blades to do the castrating but... I see your point.  I might need something a little larger for the ninjas. So lets go back to the original topic now that we have cleared this up.

Have we?

I guess it doesn't really need  one. I usually have over 2 knives on my person at all times so... Pretty cool idea!

And why do you need "over 2 knives" [sic] on you "at all times"?

Yes we have. One for sharpness for cutting thins like haybale twine. And the other for larger things. Maybe one or two more for show.

[Eclipse]

Maybe one or two more for show.

And there you are...

[Майор Хаткевич]

How does school feel about it?

[BHartman007]

Four knives is light carry for some guys I know. Why? Cause they like them, and like to play with them. More that two is excess weight to me, and I never even have that many blades unless I have a multi tool.

The legal limit in Texas (where I am, I don't know where cool is from) is 5 1/4". I've always thought it weird that the state trusts me to carry a handgun, but not a 5 1/2" knife.

[lordmonar]

Because we have an NRA and not a NKA.

[RiverAux]

I wonder -- wouldn't the wear of a sheath knife on the uniform need to be covered in the uniform regulation? 

[Eclipse]

I wonder -- wouldn't the wear of a sheath knife on the uniform need to be covered in the uniform regulation?

You could make the argument, especially with blues.

[Storm Chaser]

Knives would fall under items required for emergency services or safe operations, which is covered in CAPM 39-1, Para. 9.5.

[abdsp51]

Back to the original topic I'm digging this thing.  I always had a Leatherman or Multi-Tool on my duty belt as a cop.  I have one strapped to my range back right now and an original Multi-Tool sitting in storage. 

If this is as really as TSA friendly hell I'm sold.  I like the concept and idea, but looking at the price tag. I don't like that too much.

[RRLE]

The legal limit in Texas (where I am, I don't know where cool is from) is 5 1/4".

Florida has no legal limit on sheath knives that are not otherwise concealed. The "rub" comes in when you have to deal with pocket knives. The statutes just reference "common pocket knives". Court decisions have set the limit on a closed "common pocket knife" at four inches for the single-sided blade. Court cases have also held that pocket knives with too many "gadgets", ie serrated blades, notches in the blade etc, take it out of the realm of "common pocket knife". It then becomes a matter for the jury to decide if the knife is a "common pocket knife" or not. There is a good chance that the common close quarters folding combat knife would not be considered a common pocket knife in Florida.

CAP regs will not help you a bit if you get in trouble with the concealed weapons laws of your state. You had better know them before you carry.

Is there a price on the item that is the subject of this thread?

[abdsp51]

Cost is $100-200 for the bracelet type and $500-600 for the watch type.  I am not much of an ES person by any means but this has potential there as well as for LE and the military.