Promotion Paragraph

[dwb]

No, TFO does not equal 1st Lt.

You answered the question in your reg cite above.

For duty performance promotions to Captain, TIG is 18 months as a 1st Lt and/or SFO.  You were a TFO.  Ergo, your time as a flight officer does not count.

I can't explain it any clearer, really.

[JC004]

ok, now I am just confused...   

[IceNine]

Well lets put it this way,

I was a TFO, when I turned 21 I got 1Lt.  No questions asked...

Here let me explain this very clearly

Again from 35-5.33.C

Mitchell FO 2Lt
Earhart TFO 1Lt
Spaatz SFO Capt

If there's something missing let me know cause I've gotten 6 other FO's from my unit promoted to the grades listed upon 21's

[dwb]

The paragraph you cite isn't applicable to what you're trying to do now.  That paragraph only covers what grade you are initially eligible for upon becoming a senior member, and upon turning 21.

I agree with you on this.  Yes, when you turned 21, you were eligible for (and received) a promotion to 1st Lt.  We agree.

What you are now trying to do is process a duty performance promotion to Capt, and CAPR 50-17 Attachment 1 makes it clear that you need 18 months TIG as a 1st Lt to do so.

If you only became a 1st Lt in January 2007, then you have until July 2008 to be eligible for promotion to Capt.

Did you look at the chart in CAPR 50-17?

[Pylon]

To help make it clearer (I hope), when you transitioned from Cadet to Senior Member, you became a TFO through Special Promotion because of your Earhart award. 

When you turned 21, you were promoted to 1st Lt because of your Earhart award (not because TFO equates to 1st Lt; because it does not).  The chart you showed is correct.  Cadets with the Earhart award can go to TFO under 21 and 1st Lt upon turning 21.

However, you are now attempting to promote to Captain.  Since you do not hold any additional qualifications for special promotion, you are now bound by the duty performance promotion requirements.  For your promotion to Captain, look only at duty performance promotion requirements.  Forget how you got your TFO and 1st Lt; it doesn't count here.

The chart in CAPR 50-17 and the chart in CAPR 35-5 are very clear.  Look at the line for Captain on the table in CAPR 35-5, 11, b. 

That line says, for a duty performance promotion (which is the only type of promotion you are eligible for, unless you now suddenly have your Spaatz or a CFI ticket or something along those lines) that you need 18 months combined time in grade as a 1st Lt and/or a SFO.  Since you were never a SFO, your only time in grade towards Captain counts from the date of rank for 1st Lt recorded in e-services.

[Hawk200]

I understand the promotion process, I've got over 3 years TIG,

Make it easy, don't even bother mentioning the FO type time. You have to have 18 months as a 1LT, and you've got three years. The FO time is kinda moot.

As a recommendation, include a copy of the scorecard showing you've completed the 13. A lot of times National doesn't update things very fast. I've always included everything required for a promotion with the Form 2. Never gets returned, and the PDR gets "majically" updated the next month.

I don't like it when National tells me "No" when I know full well that the member is eligible . Member gets promoted, National gets their "supporting documents". Everybody's happy.

[IceNine]

All is well, the level II, promotion paperwork, and my presenter are all lined up.

Thanks for the help!

[CadetProgramGuy]

All is well, the level II, promotion paperwork, and my presenter are all lined up.

Thanks for the help!

How is all well?

Fill us in on a few details if you please, if your math adds up, we will let it go.

TIG that you have from FO to TFO = ?
TIG that you have from SFO to Now = ?

Remember it is not a combination of all of the above, it is a combination of FO-2LT or SFO-1LT time.

We await your answer.

Edited - Thanks

[dwb]

it is a combination of FO-2LT or TFO-1LT time.

No, it's a combination of SFO/1st Lt time.  If he's trying to get a duty performance promotion to Captain, and he's only been a 1st Lt since January, and he wasn't an SFO, then NHQ is going to bounce his promotion.

Whatever.  I'm assuming he's just not communicating his history clearly enough.  If he really does have three years TIG as a 1st Lt, then I'm not sure why we even started this conversation.

[IceNine]

I communicated just as clearly as can be done.

The times in grade are listed above, the paperwork was sent to nationals and no issues were incurred. 

This thread was not started to get feedback for whether or not I was eligible for promotion, You all just took it upon yourselves to let me know what you thought would happen. 

The reason this thread was started was answered below, I can tell that because the name of this thread is "Promotion Paragraph Not is MFD1506 Eligible for promotion.

Try this:  On 35 Jancember 3008, 1st Lt X completed 18 months service in the grades of TFO and 1st Lt.  1st Lt X has completed Senior Member Professional Development Training through Level 2.  Therefore, having completed the requirements for promotion to the grade of Captain in accordance with the specifications in CAPR 35-5 Sections B.11.a and B.11.b (Figure 2), 1st Lt X is hereby recommended for promotion to the grade of Captain.

Thanks again for that Al, I will be using that on any paperwork I send through in the future

[CadetProgramGuy]

You still are not answering the question that will set you free in all of this.  All I ask is that you answer my questions directly.

BTW...SFO does not equal Capt.  I personally know of one member that didn't get it due to specified reasons...

Anyways if you got promoted great, if it got bounced back, great, either way i consider it done.

[dwb]

*sigh* every time I think I learned my lesson about arguing with people on the Internet...

okay, in the interest of being done with this thread, let me show you your first explanation, and point out very clearly why I believed you were mistaken about your promotion eligibility.

I was a C/Capt. which got me TFO because I transitioned before my 21st

...

Now I am finished with req's for captain BUT e-services only shows time in grade since January (FO promotion's/time in grade is not tracked at nationals)

The way I read this is that you were a TFO for a while, and since January [2007], you've been a 1st Lt.

TFO time does not count toward promotion to Captain, as has been pointed out about a hundred times, and if you can't read CAPR 50-17 Att. 1 for yourself, then I'm not going to read it again for you.

Now, I could be mistaken.  You could have been an SFO and didn't mention that in your initial explanation.  You could have been a 1st Lt since January of another year, such as 2006, in which case you've got 18+ months as a 1st Lt and everything is square.

But you didn't.

You could have thwarted all the commentary on your promotion by simply clarifying your effective dates of grade.  Instead, you chose to be snotty, point to an unrelated reg cite, and insist you were right.