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Operations => Tools of the trade => Topic started by: KyCAP on April 29, 2008, 12:51:53 AM

Title: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: KyCAP on April 29, 2008, 12:51:53 AM
Since the push to be NIMS compliant is paramount...

http://www.triagetags.com/p-75-hics-iv-8-position-command-vest-kit-for-small-hospital.aspx (http://www.triagetags.com/p-75-hics-iv-8-position-command-vest-kit-for-small-hospital.aspx)

Now the question for the NIMS experts....

1) Does NIMS "require"/strongly suggest the vests
2) Does NIMS "require"/strongly suggest a Command Post Flag...

or is this just a "Best Practice"?
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: lordmonar on April 29, 2008, 01:14:41 AM
Years ago I was on the USAF's Disaster Preparedness Support Team.....we were basically the Jacks-of-all-trades for the bases Disaster Control Group.

When we set up the Mobile command post at the accident site.  We had a bunch of cones and reflective vests with the name of the duty position.  We would set the cones up in a line starting with the On Scene Commander (now called IC) closest to the van and moved out from there.  When an officer arrived to sign for a particular position, we issued a hard hat, radio and a reflective vest with his position on it.

It make it very easy to see who was who and to direct other people to a particular individual.

Need to find the Comm Rep....he's the guy with a white hard hat and "COMM" on his vest.

At our last DRE we used ID Badges...they worked okay...but you can't see them from the back or from very far.

I think a vest or armband with your position on it would be very helpful at a CAP mission base.
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: DNall on April 29, 2008, 03:50:04 AM
I don't know, but I ain't payin $400 for 8 reflective vests.

This is kinda cool, but still too expensive:
http://www.triagetags.com/c-20-vests.aspx (http://www.triagetags.com/c-20-vests.aspx)
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: sardak on April 29, 2008, 05:17:52 AM
Quote
1) Does NIMS "require"/strongly suggest the vests
2) Does NIMS "require"/strongly suggest a Command Post Flag...

or is this just a "Best Practice"?
No to questions 1 and 2.  Use of vests and a flag aren't exactly "Best Practices," either.  They are just what some organizations use.

Mike
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: KyCAP on April 30, 2008, 12:02:30 AM
I spoke with the State Emergency Management folks today here in KY.  All of their regional Incident reponse trailers come equipped with ICS vests for the core staff that are labeled.  I am going to request them for our SAREVAL next month and expect to get them at this point.  Once I see them and have them in our hands I will update this thread to let you know what the Ky EM folks own.

Also, I have read through the NFPA 1560 and 2000 docs that were adopted by HLS for the NIMS core (best that I can tell) do contain the language in them to "identify" the functional areas.   I believe that is where that these NIMS training products are being generated from.   

Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: RiverAux on April 30, 2008, 01:17:12 AM
I'm relatively sure that I've been told during one of the ICS courses that I've taken that we're supposed to be wearing some sort of identification of our position, but it isn't something that CAP has officially adopted that I'm aware of. 
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: KyCAP on April 30, 2008, 01:28:02 AM
Agreed, that the "level" of NIMS integration standards in CAP is TBD.  Just trying to go "above" for the EVAL and set the pace rather than wait.

:)
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: RiverAux on April 30, 2008, 01:30:06 AM
You know, there may be something in the EVAL guide about identification.  I know our wing got hot and bothered about it a few years ago for an EVAL. 
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: KyCAP on April 30, 2008, 02:15:10 AM
I have been living in this thing for a month or so now.

Newly, revised... sorta.

http://level2.cap.gov/documents/CAP_USAFI_10_2701.pdf (http://level2.cap.gov/documents/CAP_USAFI_10_2701.pdf)
Title: Re: Not that we need another vest (NIMS ICS vests?)
Post by: KyCAP on May 29, 2008, 04:33:12 AM
Updated the thread with the the manufacturer of the vests used by Emergency Management in Central Ky.

https://www585.ssldomain.com/rbfab/item-details.cfm?prodID=134&tracking=1&URLOnGoBack=%2Fvests%2Fincident%2Dcommand%2Dvests%2Ecfm (https://www585.ssldomain.com/rbfab/item-details.cfm?prodID=134&tracking=1&URLOnGoBack=%2Fvests%2Fincident%2Dcommand%2Dvests%2Ecfm)