Change the "V" device

[Eclipse]

First, you would only need to buy the other device, not the ribbon as well. Second, the obvious benefit is two fold. First, you won't be having to "educate" others that "V" doesn't mean Valor - it means Vigilance. Secondly, you would sleep easy at night knowing that some veteran out there won't confuse your honorable service for combat valor.

Apparently you have never seen what a ribbon looks like when you remove a device and try and replace it with another one that has different prongs.

No one but you is losing sleep over this.

[OldSalt]

Ignore.

Continue the attack of windmills...

I liked your original response. Vanguard doesn't sell bronze "V" devices? Thanks for seeing the light on that one before embarrasing yourself.

[OldSalt]

First, you would only need to buy the other device, not the ribbon as well. Second, the obvious benefit is two fold. First, you won't be having to "educate" others that "V" doesn't mean Valor - it means Vigilance. Secondly, you would sleep easy at night knowing that some veteran out there won't confuse your honorable service for combat valor.

Apparently you have never seen what a ribbon looks like when you remove a device and try and replace it with another one that has different prongs.

No one but you is losing sleep over this.

AAA still firing, but I'm still flying. Show me some facts, not opinions or hearesay.

[Eclipse]

Ignore.

Continue the attack of windmills...

I liked your original response. Vanguard doesn't sell bronze "V" devices? Thanks for seeing the light on that one before embarrasing yourself.

Nice try - up until very recently they did not sell a bronze V, and this was a topic of conversation on this board, you'd know that if you weren't a NEWBONTHELOOSE.

Just let it go.

[Eclipse]

First, you would only need to buy the other device, not the ribbon as well. Second, the obvious benefit is two fold. First, you won't be having to "educate" others that "V" doesn't mean Valor - it means Vigilance. Secondly, you would sleep easy at night knowing that some veteran out there won't confuse your honorable service for combat valor.

Apparently you have never seen what a ribbon looks like when you remove a device and try and replace it with another one that has different prongs.

No one but you is losing sleep over this.

AAA still firing, but I'm still flying. Show me some facts, not opinions or hearesay.

OK, seriously?  You're just making this up out of whole cloth and we're supposed to show you "facts"?

Cite a single personal experience, encounter, or any situation where anyone in another service cared for a second about our decorations, or specifically the "V".

Your ill-informed mailman doesn't count.  There are people all over the place who don't even know what CAP is or what we do, and get their shorts bunched the minute they think civilians are playing in their sandbox.  That doesn't mean we change because they are ill-informed, it means we inform them and move on, regardless of their personal opinion.

[lordmonar]

How about, "V" for "Valor" like it was orginally designed to mean?

Designed by who?

Come on, you can't seriously be arguing that using the "V" device on the SMV is less appropriate than using it on the DRR? At least give me that much.

Not talking about the SMV at all.  We are only talking about the DRR....stay on target.

[vento]

I think the whole this is really moot. Last time I checked we all voluntarily joined the organization for what the organization do for the community, I know I did. I didn't join to wear the uniforms. However, when required I wear the uniforms in accordance with the current regulations that I voluntarily subscribed to.

IMHO, CapTalk is a great resource to ask for clarifications and gain knowledge thru the experience of other members. If a member dislike or has a problem for a regulation that he or she voluntarily abided to earlier, then he or she should really take it to the attention of whomever can help the issue thru proper channels. I am afraid CapTalk is not such channel. Why burn calories and kill brain cells here while he or she can't accomplish anything?

My two cents...

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[lordmonar]

First, you would only need to buy the other device, not the ribbon as well.

Nope.....leaves a nasty V shaped hole on my ribbon...(I use glue to attach my devices).

Second, the obvious benefit is two fold. First, you won't be having to "educate" others that "V" doesn't mean Valor - it means Vigilance.

Not a problem...I like talking about my ribbons...and love the opportunity to educate anyone about CAP.

Secondly, you would sleep easy at night knowing that some veteran out there won't confuse your honorable service for combat valor.

I am a veteran and I have not problems with it....I know many, many veterans who know about the "V" and they don't have a probelm with it......and when it comes down to it....I don't really care what they think.

You probably haven't heard any veterans complaining because when they see you wearing the "V" device in AF uniform they are assuming that you legitimately earned a medal for combat valor. The question you would probably get instead is nothing because out of respect, they wouldn't want to bother you for war stories or your combat experiences. They would just take it at face value. However, once they found out that your "V" device doesn't have anything to do with Valor or combat, they would not be happy they were intellectually duped, and would think less of your achievement the next time they saw it or anyone else in CAP uniform.

So you talk yourself into a circle.  Veterans assume it is for combat....and then they think that I (or CAP) duped them?  I can't worry about what some schmuck assumes with little or not information.

If we go by your logic we need to dump all of the military uniforms all together...because we don't want them to think we duped them into thinking we are "real" USAF officers either.

So.....zero benefit and the CAP member must bear the cost of the change over.

Why not just have the ribbon convey what it is universally accepted to convey in the greater military community? Why the resistance to common sense here?

Because it already does.  The resistance is that you wish to force change where none is needed.

[lordmonar]

AAA still firing, but I'm still flying. Show me some facts, not opinions or hearesay.

I would say the same to you.  So far this is all your opinion...that the Silver V is not appropriate for the DDR with V.  Where are your facts?

[SarDragon]

OK, time to do movie quotes.

This one's from Meatballs. C'mon you you know this one!

"It just doesn't matter!"


Everyone, say it along with me.

"It just doesn't matter!"

"It just doesn't matter!"

"It just doesn't matter!"

"It just doesn't matter!"

"It just doesn't matter!"

[lordmonar]

"I can't get the shot, breaking left!"

[OldSalt]

I would say the same to you.  So far this is all your opinion...that the Silver V is not appropriate for the DDR with V.  Where are your facts?

OK, you win. The upstart has sucessfully been beaten down again. I guess the only "opinion" that really matters is the person who makes the regs official.

It doesn't matter that we represent the U.S. Air Force (fine print - only when on an AFAM) and that it may offend some veterans to wear a "V" device that doesn't mean Valor. It doesn't matter that CAP can take proactive action if it chooses to, but chooses to perpetuate something that could be done better. I concede defeat.....this time!  :clap: