Goodbye, farewell and Amen

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

My friends on CT:

I have just resigned from Civil Air Patrol.

I will not go into it overmuch, except to say that this is something which has been building for quite some time, and it probably should have happened earlier, but I tend to be one that hangs on until I feel all options have been exhausted.

For those whom I have offended on here, I am truly sorry.

This shall be my last post.

Farewell to you all and God bless you in your future aspirations.

[lordmonar]

Good bye

[DoubleSecret]

Thanks for your service to CAP, and best wishes.

[Майор Хаткевич]

captalk.net/index.php?topic=17297.msg311481#msg311481

[NCRblues]

Shame, thanks for your service.

[SarDragon]

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17297.msg311481#msg311481

Is there an echo in here?

[a2capt]

Does this mean no more eastern bloc themed uniform proposals?

[flyboy53]

Godspeed

[Bobble]

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17297.msg311481#msg311481

Is there an echo in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YrNQaXdOxU

[Chappie]

Sorry to hear this news....thanks for your past service and best wishes in your future endeavors.

[Nuke52]

Does this mean no more eastern bloc themed uniform proposals?

This is almost exactly what came to my mind...

He must have received a better offer from the Volkszivilluftraumüberwachung der DDR (the People's Civil Air Patrol of the German Democratic Republic).

Auf Wiedersehen, Herr Hauptmann fuer immer, bis Sie sterben.

"Last post" or not, 10 (East German) Deutschmarks says he'll post again by 31 Mar...

[Private Investigator]

Clear skies my friend and God bless you. 

[THRAWN]

Does this mean no more eastern bloc themed uniform proposals?

And how will we ever find out how things are...er...used to be in the Air National Guard? I give it 60 days, tops, before we see another uniform proposal based on a country that no longer exists....

[James Shaw]

My friends on CT:

I have just resigned from Civil Air Patrol.

I will not go into it overmuch, except to say that this is something which has been building for quite some time, and it probably should have happened earlier, but I tend to be one that hangs on until I feel all options have been exhausted.

For those whom I have offended on here, I am truly sorry.

This shall be my last post.

Farewell to you all and God bless you in your future aspirations.

I am sorry to see that Civil Air Patrol has lost yet another great member. You will be missed.

[AirAux]

CyBorg, I hate to see you go, I have enjoyed your posts and learned from them.  May you have happy trails in your endeavors.  Godspeed. 

[LATORRECA]

Thank you for your service and your dedication.. :clap:

[Devil Doc]

Dang, I mist it.

Ich habe ein starkes Gefühl, wir werden ihn wieder in der nahen Zukunft zu sehen

[Nuke52]

Dang, I mist it.

Ich habe ein starkes Gefühl, wir werden ihn wieder in der nahen Zukunft zu sehen

Ganz ohne Zweifel.  Er schreibt nicht, aber er lauert immer noch.

[bflynn]

Translated

I have a strong feeling that we will see him again in the near future

Without a doubt . He does not write , but he still lurks .

I don't think so.  It can be difficult to cut away from something that you've done for so long, but a resignation means he's gone.  He's just trying to remember that.

I could be wrong, we'll see.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Translated

I have a strong feeling that we will see him again in the near future

Without a doubt . He does not write , but he still lurks .

I don't think so.  It can be difficult to cut away from something that you've done for so long, but a resignation means he's gone.  He's just trying to remember that.

I could be wrong, we'll see.

I'll repeat it: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17297.msg311481#msg311481

[bflynn]

I can't imagine why he'd want to leave.  All the people here are so kind, not at all snarky or catty...

Eclipse - thank you for setting the tone with your reply to my first post.   You are to be commended on your ability to set energetic newcomers straight. 

I'm done too and since I'm locking my account out, I assure you that you won't see me back.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Eclipse who?

[Flying Pig]

Some of you kids need to take up a new hobby.

[Devil Doc]

Nun, für was es wert ist, ich hoffe, er entscheidet, durchzuhalten.



Ich selbst war mit havnt CAP aktiv wie ich war, als ich zum ersten Mal kam, ist es schwer mit einem yound Kind. Ich denke, CAP wirklich braucht, um etwas zu tun, oder wir werden mehr Mitglieder verlieren, als uns bewusst ist.

[catrulz]

Back in the early days of NESA when it was still called NGSAR and there was only one level of GTM, John Desmaris would send out a letter to the staff that said "Leave your ego at home".  You would sign in and 5 minutes after arriving 10 peoples egos were severely inflicted upon you.

This organization stinks at "Leaving our egos at home."   overbearing egos chase just as many people out the door as "wasting peoples time".   

Mostly, I have experienced very good commanders in CAP.   I have had a personality conflict with a former commander, and unfortunately when that occurs, the best thing you can do is walk out the door (hopefully to another unit).   Cyborg didn't have the option of going to another unit due to geography. 

Every member lost, every member that comes in and just drinks coffee, every meeting that wastes time, is a failure in leadership! 

I wish Cyborg well.  If he comes back, that's okay too. 

[PHall]

Back in the early days of NESA when it was still called NGSAR and there was only one level of GTM, John Desmaris would send out a letter to the staff that said "Leave your ego at home".  You would sign in and 5 minutes after arriving 10 peoples egos were severely inflicted upon you.

This organization stinks at "Leaving our egos at home."   overbearing egos chase just as many people out the door as "wasting peoples time".   

Mostly, I have experienced very good commanders in CAP.   I have had a personality conflict with a former commander, and unfortunately when that occurs, the best thing you can do is walk out the door (hopefully to another unit).   Cyborg didn't have the option of going to another unit due to geography. 

Every member lost, every member that comes in and just drinks coffee, every meeting that wastes time, is a failure in leadership! 

I wish Cyborg well.  If he comes back, that's okay too.

This is the third or fourth time Cyborg has left CAP, according to what he has posted. He will be back.
And I predict there will be another conflict of wills somewhere down the road again too. It seems to be a cycle with him.
Maybe next time will be better.

[Storm Chaser]

Back in the early days of NESA when it was still called NGSAR and there was only one level of GTM, John Desmaris would send out a letter to the staff that said "Leave your ego at home".  You would sign in and 5 minutes after arriving 10 peoples egos were severely inflicted upon you.

This organization stinks at "Leaving our egos at home."   overbearing egos chase just as many people out the door as "wasting peoples time".   

Mostly, I have experienced very good commanders in CAP.   I have had a personality conflict with a former commander, and unfortunately when that occurs, the best thing you can do is walk out the door (hopefully to another unit).   Cyborg didn't have the option of going to another unit due to geography. 

Every member lost, every member that comes in and just drinks coffee, every meeting that wastes time, is a failure in leadership! 

I wish Cyborg well.  If he comes back, that's okay too.

What's so significant about Cyborg's departure? Members come and go all the time. As was noted, Cyborg has left and returned to CAP a few times already. Why would it be a failure in leadership if wishes to take a break again or do something else for a while? On Cyborg's own account, it's not like he was able to contribute significantly to the organization anyway. A break may be good for him. If he wishes to come back, that's fine too.

[Flying Pig]

Im leaving CAPTalk... you are all mean,  Im never coming back.

[Flying Pig]

Hmmmm.... well that was the most boring 30 seconds of my life.  OK, Im back. 

[James Shaw]

Hmmmm.... well that was the most boring 30 seconds of my life.  OK, Im back.

I had to clean the coffee off my iPad screen.

[Storm Chaser]

Well, I agree that some of the discussions here can get heated at times, but that's because we have a lot of passionate members. That's not necessarily a bad thing. We just need to remember to keep our posts respectful and treat each other the way we want to be treated.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Pig, I hope you were not flying when you typed those last two messages!

Anyway they were funny.

[PHall]

Pig, I hope you were not flying when you typed those last two messages!

Anyway they were funny.

Texting and driving is illegal, texting and flying ain't!

[Luis R. Ramos]

Ok, I will get in my car, put pedal to the metal then will start textin! I will be flying, not in an airplane but in my car...

[PHall]

Ok, I will get in my car, put pedal to the metal then will start textin! I will be flying, not in an airplane but in my car...

That should get a laugh out of the traffic court judge!

[lordmonar]

So my commander was one of those guys who got his pilots certificate right at 16....and...one day...he is speeding down the road on his way to the air field....cop pulls him over....and says....."where's your pilot's license"......you know the old line.....well....he showed it to the cop. 

So.....long story short....my commander got off with a "slow it down kid" and a great story to tell.

[Eclipse]

Pretty sweet.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Nice...

[Al Sayre]

I got  to show my newly minted PPL to a WV Trooper the same way, wish I  had a camera, the look on his face was priceless.  He just handed it back, got in his car and drove away.  Never said another word after I handed it to him... 

[PHall]

I got  to show my newly minted PPL to a WV Trooper the same way, wish I  had a camera, the look on his face was priceless.  He just handed it back, got in his car and drove away.  Never said another word after I handed it to him... 

Lack of preperation on the Trooper's part!

[a2capt]

Im leaving CAPTalk... you are all mean,  Im never coming back.

Tick tick tick ...

Hmmmm.... well that was the most boring 30 seconds of my life.  OK, Im back.

That was only 22 seconds. Go back and do it again.

... and I've also handed my FAA card to a cop, and ... pretty much got the same. "Get out of here. Drive nice" ..

[Devil Doc]

I handed my DD Form 2765 to a Cop once....... I got off with a warning.

[Flying Pig]

I dropped my badge and ID on the passenger seat by accident. 

[LTCinSWR]

That's why I keep my DL in with my creds.

[Chappie]

My DL and the LE agency ID I work for (non-sworn --but has a badge imprinted on it) are together.   The patrol folks do appreciate the IT folks who support them

[NCRblues]

I dropped my badge and ID on the passenger seat by accident. 

Had an out of state officer literally hold his badge out the window before I was even out of the car... Citation for him.

That same week I confronted a CAP lt. Col. about claiming to be a former swat officer in Florida. Called and checked on him, was a "reservist" who didn't make the cut in the traning program. He had a badge and everything...kind of creepy...

[DoubleSecret]

Had an out of state officer literally hold his badge out the window before I was even out of the car... Citation for him.

Re the "professional courtesy" side topic that's growing here:

I'm glad someone got the same treatment as a non-LEO.  Would that have been the case had he made his bid for "professional courtesy" in a manner more to your liking?

I wonder how folks justify to themselves the apparent contradiction of:

1) being in an organization that has a character development component for cadets, while
2) making or humoring bids (however subtle) for "professional courtesy" to escape the consequences of a driving violation that would get the average citizen "press hard, 3 copies" and a lighter bank account.

[lordmonar]

Because we are honest.

We still help develop character development and we still talk about the real world that is less then "idea".

In fact....this same issue can be used as a CD topic.   See what happens.

[SarDragon]

I've found that professional courtesy is offered, not asked for. I've had a potential ticket turned into a warning (95/70), and another ticket reduced (94/70 -> 80/70) because the LEO noticed that I was in the Navy. Both of these were in the early '70s, long before the recent love for the military.

[Eclipse]

I've found that professional courtesy is offered, not asked for.

+1 And generally only after the LEO has ascertained that you aren't doing anything actually
worth citing you for, and aren't acting like a bozo.

Contrition tinged with some humility can save you a lot of time and money - even if you still get the citation.

[Nuke52]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this?   

[Garibaldi]

Not for nothing, but it degenerated into a uniform thread and mutated into something else. Very odd. I will miss him on here.

[Private Investigator]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this?   

I am sadden too 

[Devil Doc]

Es braust ein Ruf wie Donnerhall,
wie Schwertgeklirr und Wogenprall:
Zum Rhein, zum Rhein, zum deutschen Rhein,
wer will des Stromes Hüter sein?

Farwell und folgende Meere.....

[C/Cool]

Es braust ein Ruf wie Donnerhall,
wie Schwertgeklirr und Wogenprall:
Zum Rhein, zum Rhein, zum deutschen Rhein,
wer will des Stromes Hüter sein?

Farwell und folgende Meere.....

Ich mag diesen Kerl! Beiträge alles auf Deutsch .

[Simplex]

Sorry to see you go. From your posts I know you've had a tough way to go.  All the best in your future endeavors.

[Devil Doc]

I sure hope he comes back though, the mother land will not be the same without him

[GroundHawg]

Had an out of state officer literally hold his badge out the window before I was even out of the car... Citation for him.

Re the "professional courtesy" side topic that's growing here:

I'm glad someone got the same treatment as a non-LEO.  Would that have been the case had he made his bid for "professional courtesy" in a manner more to your liking?

I wonder how folks justify to themselves the apparent contradiction of:

1) being in an organization that has a character development component for cadets, while
2) making or humoring bids (however subtle) for "professional courtesy" to escape the consequences of a driving violation that would get the average citizen "press hard, 3 copies" and a lighter bank account.

My shift starts in the middle of the night. I drive above the posted speed limits going to work as I am about the only person on the road. That being said, I know that if Im pulled over badge or no badge, Im expecting a ticket. I doubt I will get one in uniform, but I dont get my panties in a wad if I get pulled over and get one. My fellow officers are doing their jobs and will use their best judgement. If he/she believes that a fellow LEO doing 15 over on a deserted highway at 0330 needs a ticket, so be it.

[Storm Chaser]

Had an out of state officer literally hold his badge out the window before I was even out of the car... Citation for him.

Re the "professional courtesy" side topic that's growing here:

I'm glad someone got the same treatment as a non-LEO.  Would that have been the case had he made his bid for "professional courtesy" in a manner more to your liking?

I wonder how folks justify to themselves the apparent contradiction of:

1) being in an organization that has a character development component for cadets, while
2) making or humoring bids (however subtle) for "professional courtesy" to escape the consequences of a driving violation that would get the average citizen "press hard, 3 copies" and a lighter bank account.

My shift starts in the middle of the night. I drive above the posted speed limits going to work as I am about the only person on the road. That being said, I know that if Im pulled over badge or no badge, Im expecting a ticket. I doubt I will get one in uniform, but I dont get my panties in a wad if I get pulled over and get one. My fellow officers are doing their jobs and will use their best judgement. If he/she believes that a fellow LEO doing 15 over on a deserted highway at 0330 needs a ticket, so be it.

I hate to derail this thread further, but I have a problem with law enforcement officers who commit traffic violations, get free passes because they're LEOs, but then give others tickets/fines because they're "doing their jobs". Their job is not only to enforce the law, but also to follow it. Integrity is doing the right thing, no matter what.

[Luis R. Ramos]

And how do YOU know that LEO/Fire/EMS is taking advantage? Of course some will be.

However just because they are going fast using lights just to take advantage, does not mean they are abusing their authority.

It may have been several reasons.

They may have been tasked to a situation that using lights/siren would just exacerbate it so they may be going against a red light w/o light or siren. Or they may have used their lights and siren but then gets a cancellation.

[Storm Chaser]

And how do YOU know that LEO/Fire/EMS is taking advantage?

Have YOU been reading this thread? A few members have posted how they "accidentally" show their badges when pulled over. This is not new. I've heard many LEOs I know say the same thing. I'm sure not everyone does it, but many do. When someone is pulled over due to a traffic violation, they should not get preferential treatment because they carry a badge. It's a matter of integrity.

[Private Investigator]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this? 

[Eclipse]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this?

The thread has become an empty shirt - put it in Patron status and transfers it to 996.

[Storm Chaser]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this? 

You're right. My apologies.

[flyboy53]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this? 

You're right. My apologies.

Especially since I joined him on January 31 and am now so bitter about this organization.

[Eclipse]

this organization.

"This" organization?  What did CAPTalk do to you?

To be fair to all sides here, Cyborg's issues, as chronicled here and in PMs to many of us, are largely self-induced
or out of CAP's control.  Yes, there are a few issues which you could argue are systemic, but for better or worse
they are not atypical of either CAP or other large organizations.  At the end of the day, CAP's charter is not
to be "all things to all men", and at some point people simply have to make decisions.

He's had some unfortunately-timed gaps in service, a lot of unit mobility, and based on comments, at times
has not meshed with his commanders.  His comments indicate he has physical issues which limit his ability to
participate in-person, which is something to be addressed, but out of CAP's control.

Many of us have offered him reasonable suggestions to allow him to continue service despite his indicated limitations,
or to address the issues which he perceives in terms of the way his superiors have treated him.  Those are generally
met with either excuses or comments to the effect of "not wanting to make waves", which is fine, but again,
at some point there is an end to what CAP can do and offer, and when you reach that, it's decision time.

[Nuke52]

Come on, guys, does CyBorg's thread really deserve this?

The thread has become an empty shirt - put it in Patron status and transfers it to 996.

Agreed, but should this empty-shirt, Patron-status, 996-chartered thread wear the Nationalvolksarmee der DDR Luftstreitkraefteunteroffiziersausgangsuniform:


or maybe the parade uniform of a Nationalvolksarmee der DDR Luftverteidigungsoberleutnant?


No, you're right.  The latter should be reserved only for National Patrons (patron saints, perhaps?) who've donated a billion dollars (in addition to their $25 "membership" check!) and have been awarded the annual CAP Shuman Award Perpetual Trophy(TM) to be appropriately displayed in a dusty and forgotten corner of the former morgue at 105 S. Hansell St., Maxwell AFB, AL 36112.