CAP Aircraft Searching for Steve Fossett

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RiverAux

#20
September 04, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
CAP mentioned on NPR with quote from the MIO. 

JohnKachenmeister

#21
September 04, 2007, 11:29:54 PM
OK, bad things:  No flight plan filed, because the "Plan" was a recon for a place to drive a race car, and his intent was to meander around the desert.  5 hours of fuel.
Intermittent mountains with hot unstable air.

Good things:  Seasoned pilot with experience in gliders.  Aircraft that is structurally able to withstand off-airport landings.  Aircraft with good gliding characteristics.  Pilot in good physical condition.

Radio/ELT unknown.  Probably old-type ELT and probably a single basic radio.

Questions:

1.  Was there any distress call, and if there was, is there a receiving station near enough to hear it?

2.  Is there any ELT signal coming from anywhere?

3.  If he had a cell phone, is there a cell he could activate?  Rich as he is, he might have a sattelite phone, but that's a question that we need to ask.

4.  Did he tell anyone at his takeoff airport his general area of interest in finding a lake bed?

5.  Did he have any survival gear?  Water?


I see a couple of possible situations:

1.  He took out a Citabria tail-dragger for a reason.  He intended to land and check out the dry lake bed on the ground.  He could have hit something on landing or trying to take back off again.

2.  He got into some of the squirrelly winds that whip around mountains, and had a collision with the granite planet.

So... Are these dry-lake beds on a map? 
Another former CAP officer

flyerthom

#22
September 04, 2007, 11:32:08 PM
So far it's just the Northern NV squadrons on but I've called in my availability for the next four days. I hope I'm called. My air crew bag is packed.
TC

RiverAux

#23
September 04, 2007, 11:33:43 PM
Folks, just a reminder that anyone with the answers to Kach's questions, should probably not answer them here. 

JohnKachenmeister

#24
September 04, 2007, 11:34:09 PM
True.  Just thinking on line.
Another former CAP officer

RiverAux

#25
September 04, 2007, 11:45:08 PM
the coverage is pretty interesting.  Seems like they need to set up a Joint Information Center of some kind as I'm seeing quotes from spokemen from at least 3 different agencies in the news stories. 

And referring back to an earlier point, it is not surprising that this search has major national media attention when compared to other missing plane searches.  Unfortunately, these searches are not that uncommon and not all are going to "rate" national coverage.  Fair?  Probably not, but thats the way it is.

flyerthom

#26
September 04, 2007, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on September 04, 2007, 11:34:09 PM
True.  Just thinking on line.

Check your PM box sir.
TC

Tubacap

#27
September 04, 2007, 11:56:42 PM
I just ran over to the abcnews.com site and looked at the comments section.  Lots of them directed at CAP.  There is however one thing that caught my eye, and that was a former CAP PAO stating some facts, which were correct, but the grammar was atrocious.  Just a thought. 

Good luck Nevada!
William Schlosser, Major CAP
NER-PA-001

jimmydeanno

#28
September 05, 2007, 12:06:54 AM
CNN right now, interview with CAP information officer...
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

FARRIER

#29
September 05, 2007, 01:00:23 AM
We made the BBC also.

Quote from: Tubacap on September 04, 2007, 11:56:42 PMGood luck Nevada!

Ditto
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JohnKachenmeister

#30
September 05, 2007, 01:12:37 AM
Fox News is reporting that he did NOT have a cell or sattelite phone.
Another former CAP officer

Pylon

#31
September 05, 2007, 01:19:18 AM
Interviews with two CAP members in flight suits, and B-roll shots of a Civil Air Patrol GA-8 were featured as part of the coverage this evening on the ABC World News Tonight.

God speed to the Fossett family during this difficult time, and safe flying to all our CAP brothers and sisters searching.
Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP

Eagle400

#32
September 05, 2007, 01:26:49 AM Last Edit: September 05, 2007, 01:35:24 AM by ♠
Quote from: Nomex Maximus link=topic=2935.msg54685#msg54685CNN, Fox and MSNBC never mentioned it - unless you count MSNBC having a blurb in the Detroit regional section several days later...

Is it just me, or do I see the same thing happening again?  I watch Fox News almost daily and they have not mentioned CAP at all, despite the fact that there are 12 aircraft looking for Fosset (including an Air National Guard C-130), and numerous ground teams.  Same goes for MSNBC.  CNN is a different story. 

I sense an anti-CAP bias in some of the media.  Is it because they don't know about CAP, or have some of CAP's negative reputations made some of the media look the other way whenever CAP responds to a disaster?  We already know that a lot of CAP's Public Affairs work is not expert quality and National could do a way better job of making the organization look good, like deleting photos of people wearing uniforms improperly (especially in regulations) and soforth. 

There has to be some reason why not all of the media reports include CAP.  Any thoughts?                 

SDF_Specialist

#33
September 05, 2007, 01:41:52 AM
Why would Fox News mention us? That would be like a recruiting effort, which wouldn't produce cash for them.
SDF_Specialist

isuhawkeye

#34
September 05, 2007, 01:44:00 AM
It sounds like several agencies are supplying resources to the search.  The air time so far seems to be amazingly good. 

JohnKachenmeister

#35
September 05, 2007, 01:47:58 AM
You are right, Fox isn't talking about CAP, just "Search teams."
Another former CAP officer

Eagle400

#36
September 05, 2007, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: Virgin ESO on September 05, 2007, 01:41:52 AM
Why would Fox News mention us? That would be like a recruiting effort, which wouldn't produce cash for them.

I'm not sure what you mean.  When any news agency mentions CAP, it is like a recruiting effort.  But you lost me when you mentioned the money.  Why wouldn't it produce cash for Fox News, or any other news organization.  They get paid on the basis of ratings.  More ratings = more $$$.

It would not cost any money to mention CAP.  I highly doubt Fox News would lose any ratings just because they mention CAP.    

SDF_Specialist

#37
September 05, 2007, 01:53:55 AM
No, they wouldn't lose money. But you have to pay for ad space. Anymore, they charge for things like that. At least that's what I've been told by a few people who work behind th scenes at CBS.
SDF_Specialist

Lancer

#38
September 05, 2007, 02:33:39 AM
I know its exciting to see CAP talked about in the news like this, but until the mission is wrapped up can we save the 'Oooh Looky Looky we're on the news' talk for afterwards.

A man's life is on the line here and it seems like we're more concerned with the PR value of the situation than the man himself.

JCJ

#39
September 05, 2007, 02:42:53 AM
Quote from: ♠ on September 05, 2007, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: Virgin ESO on September 05, 2007, 01:41:52 AM
Why would Fox News mention us? That would be like a recruiting effort, which wouldn't produce cash for them.

I'm not sure what you mean.  When any news agency mentions CAP, it is like a recruiting effort.  But you lost me when you mentioned the money.  Why wouldn't it produce cash for Fox News, or any other news organization.  They get paid on the basis of ratings.  More ratings = more $$$.

It would not cost any money to mention CAP.  I highly doubt Fox News would lose any ratings just because they mention CAP.    

The CAP Mission IO was just interviewed live by Greta Van Susteren on Fox News.  It was a good interview, and we were definitely credited.
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