Situational Awareness (PICTURES)

[mikeylikey]

Now, If I had doen that to George Bush (who I met in Iraq) you guys would be all over me. But I took thehigher road. When he came into the room, I left.

I would have been all over you regardless if it was H. Clinton or G. Bush; because you're a 30-something officer, not some early-20s enlisted guy who got out and later posted the pic.

Kind of like how when you're 35 and can't believe some of the things you did when you were 25, 20 or 15.  Hopefully by the time that former specialist is in his 30s he'll somewhat understand how what he did was disrespectful.  Funny and sneaky, but disrespectful.

I have to go with Kirt on this one.  You may hate the elected leadership, but you should respect the person for the office they hold, if not the office itself.  Many Dem's HATE the President, but should respect the office enough to show him respect.  I hate Senator Clinton, but I would never do what that Soldier did.  In fact, if he was in my Chain, I would seriously think about some consequences to throw his way, at the very least a letter of reprimand for his file, and a hold on his promotions. 

[flyguy06]

I really didnt intend for my comment to get into a full blown out thread. I am currently in flight training and way to busy to monitor this board. (thats why you guys havent seen me post in a while, I just happen to be at lucnchright now)

But bottomline is this. Inever disrespect my cahin of command. I left because I chose to go and actualyl do my job. when youare in a war, you dont always have time to sit around and suck up to the brass when they come around every blue moon to pay you a visit. I had soldiers outside the wire and I needed to do my job for them. I didnt have time to sit around and pal around. Plus, If I had sopkoen to this man, i would have probably said something to get myself in trouble so I took the high road. thats called self  discipline and is a leadership principle.

I dont think what this soldier did to Mrs. Clinton was anything worthy of a repremand or anything in his file. Its just not that serious.

I do not hate the current administartion. I dont agree with them but hate is a strong word. I am a conservative Democrat but please do not hold me to a stereotype. Dont geoup me into this group because of my political affliliation. You know nothing about me. or how I vote.

Anyway, I have to get back to learning about bleed air and hydrolic systems on a jet, so my brain will be freid. I will check this site later. Peace.

[flyguy06]

Sorry about the rant earlier. Youguys have no idea how stressed I have been the last month. I have been in AZ (read my other thread "Anyone onhere in AZWG") I amlearning to fly a CRJ and it isnt easy. Its not the flying I am used to. Its more monitoring systems. But I will survive. I have to fly back to GA this weekend because I have Guard Drill.

[CadetProgramGuy]

CRJ = Computer flying slicker than snot aircraft that you actually have to plan on how to fly......

[lordmonar]

I have to go with Kirt on this one.  You may hate the elected leadership, but you should respect the person for the office they hold, if not the office itself.  Many Dem's HATE the President, but should respect the office enough to show him respect.  I hate Senator Clinton, but I would never do what that Soldier did.  In fact, if he was in my Chain, I would seriously think about some consequences to throw his way, at the very least a letter of reprimand for his file, and a hold on his promotions. 

Could you do anything?  The UCMJ is different for the E's and O's as far as respect to elected officials.

If you tried to give me NJP over something like this...I think I would refuse and force it to a court....at which point I think the JAG would just walk away from it.

[mikeylikey]

^ Not withstanding, an Article 15 may be appropriate.  I would use a summarized ART 15, and issue an oral reprimand and my choice of 14 days extra duty or restriction.  If the Battalion Staff Judge Advocate does not agree with my course, then I would bring Non-Punitive Measures against the member, to include Admonition and Counseling (fully noted on the members DA 4856), and Denial of Privileges. 

You would have every right to refuse my Article 15, but your next course of action would be sending it through the chain to my boss.  In the meantime, my Article 15 directives would stand, and you would be required to carry them out until told otherwise.  If not then I WOULD reccomend to higher HQ a summary court martial be convened.

Company Grade Commanders have broad legal measures at their disposal.  Non Judicial Punishment, judicial and administrative actions.  Heck If I wanted to I could order a soldier to work after duty hours and on weekends and there is nothing he or she can do about it.  All the Officer has to prove when questioned by SJA after the soldier files a complaint is that I "feel" he or she did not do enough during the regular duty day. 

I have been through the military justice system backward and forward, and spent time working with SJA Officers.  I spent 2 weeks on military justice in ROTC, and 2 weeks on military justice at my Officer Basic Course and 2 weeks on military justice at my Officer Advance Course.  I am no lawyer, but I do know what I can and can not do when it comes to Commanding a Unit. 

PLUS the Army gave me a pocket card to carry around letting me know exactly what I can do in these types of situations. 

[Gunner C]

Yes, Sen. Clinton gets "saluted" (so to speak) because she is a U.S. Senator, but that doesn't mean you should take a dump on her front lawn if you don't like her.

Point of order:  Senators don't rate salutes.  IIRC, only the president rates one.  There may be others.  [/nit pick]

Now, back to your regularly scheduled argument. 

[isuhawkeye]

What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread

[dwb]

Point of order:  Senators don't rate salutes.  IIRC, only the president rates one.  There may be others.  [/nit pick]

Hence the "quotes" -- I was referring to a generic display of respect in the context of the "salute the rank, not the person" phrase.

[flyguy06]

What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread

Not a thing. Folks on here have a way of swaying off topic.

Senators do not get saluted. Only people in the Chain of Command get saluted. thats why in every military training school, the Chain of Command is one of the first things taught.

CAP needs to get more military

[SARMedTech]

What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread

Not a thing. Folks on here have a way of swaying off topic.

Senators do not get saluted. Only people in the Chain of Command get saluted. thats why in every military training school, the Chain of Command is one of the first things taught.

CAP needs to get more military

Actually "CAP needs to get more military"

[JayT]

What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread

Not a thing. Folks on here have a way of swaying off topic.

Senators do not get saluted. Only people in the Chain of Command get saluted. thats why in every military training school, the Chain of Command is one of the first things taught.

CAP needs to get more military

Actually "CAP needs to get more military"

What does that mean? The uniforms, rank structure, salutung, etc etc? We're not the military, no should we ever be. We're a paramilitary organization.

[MIKE]

You had your chance.