Just some things to remind you to pay attention to what's going on around you.
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Some more fun pics for your pleasure.
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Regarding the pic of the soldier with Senator Clinton:
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The picture shows that this soldier has been thru Survival School and learned his lessons well. He's giving the sign of "coercion" with his left hand. These hand signs are taught in survival school to be used by POW's as a method of posing messages back to our intelligence services who may view the photo or video.
This guy was obviously being coerced into shaking hands with Hillary Clinton. It's ironic how little she knew that he would so inform us about the photo—perhaps because she's never understood our military to begin with.
Verification from snopes.com with an explanation of the crossed fingers:Quote
Military history includes many instances when soldiers who fell into the hands of the enemy were trotted out before photographers or television cameras by their captors for purposes of propaganda: — to create false images intended to trick audiences into believing that the prisoners were actually well-cared for, sympathized with their captors, or were voluntarily denouncing the political policies of their home countries.
Likewise, military history includes many instances in which such captured soldiers managed to inserted subtle and furtive signs into propagandistic images to express their defiance, to indicate that the information they were relaying was false, or to signal that they were acting under duress.
(One of the most well-known examples of this phenomenon is the infamous middle finger gesture employed by the crew of the USS Pueblo in photographs after their ship was captured by North Korea in 1968.)
(http://www.charmaineyoest.com/archives/pueblo_crew_time_18_oct_1968.jpg)
Verification from truthorfiction.com adds a follow-up from the subject himself: QuoteThe answer is that he did intentionally cross his fingers during the handshake and it did mean that he was not thrilled to shake Senator Clinton's hand.
After his discharge from the Army, the soldier posted a personal profile on Yahoo Personals as part of looking for introductions to single females.
In his profile, he includes the picture with Hillary and explains:
"The picture of me and Hillary Clinton was taken when she came to visit Iraq. I was actually ordered to shake her hand, and I never figured that my friends would circulate it all over the net. I AM NOT a Hillary fan by any stretch."
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The red guy with the sniper rifle might want to turn around.
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IS it just me or is the first and second row of the generals ribbons at 0 spacing and the rest at 1/8" spacing?
And I think that guy is picking his nose on purpose, he's looking right at the camera.
Quote from: 2d Lt Rudin on March 31, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
IS it just me or is the first and second row of the generals ribbons at 0 spacing and the rest at 1/8" spacing?
I doubt they're messed up, could just be his slouch or the angle. He's got a guy, probably a Sergeant, who is responsible for putting his uniform together. They should all be 1/8" spacing.
Quote from: 2d Lt Rudin on March 31, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
And I think that guy is picking his nose on purpose, he's looking right at the camera.
I doubt he's doing it on purpose. He's an officer, probably Major or Lt Col. He's squinting his eyes in search of the big kahuna, so I'm not so sure he's purposely looking at the camera.
Quote from: Stonewall on March 31, 2008, 03:20:48 PM
Some more fun pics for your pleasure.
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My question is how did she get to wear civilian cloths in country?
Maybe she's Air Force. I heard the AF practices "civilian clothes Friday". Plus, the only person in uniform is the Colonel getting his freak on.
I just noticed, check out Gen Shinseki's right hand. He's about to give his coin to that NCO.
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Quote from: Stonewall on March 31, 2008, 03:16:43 PM
Just some things to remind you to pay attention to what's going on around you.
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This one is already on it's way to my Navy cousin, and his AF brother! Should be some interesting replies later this evening...
Alright, all these pics had me laughing...HARD. It just goes to show that situational awareness should be used no matter where you are, why you're there, and who is with you. Just ask the nose picking Army guy (no disrespect to our Army members here).
Regarding the Sidewinder skating down the deck, that was not a situational awareness mistake. It was not fired. It merely came off the rail due to the deceleration of the arrested landing. When installed on the rail, the missile is slid on from the front, and is held in place by a spring loaded detent mechanism. Sometimes the spring weakens, allowing the missile to slide off during landing.
Here's a picture:
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DETENT, DETENT LOCK, DETENT-LOCK SOLENOID, AND SNUBBERS.- The detent, detent lock, detent-lock solenoid, and forward snubbers (fig. 3-19) make up an electromechanical system that restricts longitudinal and lateral motion of the mounted missile. This system prevents accidental launch or release during catapult takeoff or arrested landings. A slotted detent wrench/safety pin is installed through the mechanism assembly to prevent movement of the aft detent and to safe the launcher firing circuits. It is also used to raise the aft detent lug sufficiently to clear the missile hanger during loading. The slotted detent wrench/safety pin is removed before flight. When the detent is down (normal), the striker points make contact with the buttons (contacts) on the forward hanger of the missile. The forward striker point does not have a function for the missile; the aft striker point makes contact between the missile and the firing safety switch.
Bottom line - mechanical malfunction.
Quote from: 2d Lt Rudin on March 31, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
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IS it just me or is the first and second row of the generals ribbons at 0 spacing and the rest at 1/8" spacing?
And I think that guy is picking his nose on purpose, he's looking right at the camera.
Oy Gevalt!!! A guy is picking his nose in the pic and you guys try to find a Uniform snafu on an Army General? The UNIFORM POLICE are alive and WELL in the CAP!!! (just kidding 2d Lt Rudin ;))
Actually, the scary part about that AIM-9 Sidewinder is that is a "live" War shot. If you look closely, you will see the brown band on the rocket motor and the yellow band on the live warhead.
Quote from: wawgcap on March 31, 2008, 11:56:21 PM
Actually, the scary part about that AIM-9 Sidewinder is that is a "live" War shot. If you look closely, you will see the brown band on the rocket motor and the yellow band on the live warhead.
If I recall my ancient 'Winder knowledge correctly, the missile isn't armed unless it is actually fired from the rack. I've seen two of these myself, and there were no detonations either time; they just fall into the water off the end of the angle deck.
Yes and no, while a AIM-9 is safe normally, as long as properly grounded, an AIM-9 has a contact fuse with the warhead cavity as well as an influence fuse. The influence fuse would be safe, but a contact fuse is a contact fuse and may go off, if the missile hits something with enough force. Also it is possible to accidentally ignite a rocket motor with just static electricity. Of course that is a later generation AIM-9 (> =L version) and the influence fuse has been replaced with a lser fuse and I cannot remeber if they kept the contact fuse in that version or not.
I served 4 years in the Air Force as a 31651L working on AIM, AGM, Laser and Optical weapons.
Quote from: Major Carrales on March 31, 2008, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: 2d Lt Rudin on March 31, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
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IS it just me or is the first and second row of the generals ribbons at 0 spacing and the rest at 1/8" spacing?
And I think that guy is picking his nose on purpose, he's looking right at the camera.
Oy Gevalt!!! A guy is picking his nose in the pic and you guys try to find a Uniform snafu on an Army General? The UNIFORM POLICE are alive and WELL in the CAP!!! (just kidding 2d Lt Rudin ;))
Well, if we must . . .
His unit citation is over the seam of the pocket, his "US" brass is too angled (even for the Army), he doesn't have his hat on outdoors, and bald-headed jumpwings on generals is just wrong.
Not bad for a guy who takes the black berets away from the Ranger Regiment and gives them to everyone (all made in China, of course). He's worse than some of the uniform geeks in CAP (If I make everyone look cool, then they'll be cool).
GC
wawgcap, thanks for the 'Winder update. I never worked directly with them myself, but cal'd the test equipment for the rails, and knew some ordies who passed on info.
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The red guy with the sniper rifle might want to turn around.
Screen shots of video games don't count.
I thought you had it...Oh, I thought you had it.
Quote from: Stonewall on March 31, 2008, 04:16:58 PM
Regarding the pic of the soldier with Senator Clinton:
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The picture shows that this soldier has been thru Survival School and learned his lessons well. He's giving the sign of "coercion" with his left hand. These hand signs are taught in survival school to be used by POW's as a method of posing messages back to our intelligence services who may view the photo or video.
This guy was obviously being coerced into shaking hands with Hillary Clinton. It's ironic how little she knew that he would so inform us about the photo—perhaps because she's never understood our military to begin with.
Verification from snopes.com with an explanation of the crossed fingers:
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Military history includes many instances when soldiers who fell into the hands of the enemy were trotted out before photographers or television cameras by their captors for purposes of propaganda: — to create false images intended to trick audiences into believing that the prisoners were actually well-cared for, sympathized with their captors, or were voluntarily denouncing the political policies of their home countries.
Likewise, military history includes many instances in which such captured soldiers managed to inserted subtle and furtive signs into propagandistic images to express their defiance, to indicate that the information they were relaying was false, or to signal that they were acting under duress.
(One of the most well-known examples of this phenomenon is the infamous middle finger gesture employed by the crew of the USS Pueblo in photographs after their ship was captured by North Korea in 1968.)
(http://www.charmaineyoest.com/archives/pueblo_crew_time_18_oct_1968.jpg)
Verification from truthorfiction.com adds a follow-up from the subject himself:
QuoteThe answer is that he did intentionally cross his fingers during the handshake and it did mean that he was not thrilled to shake Senator Clinton's hand.
After his discharge from the Army, the soldier posted a personal profile on Yahoo Personals as part of looking for introductions to single females.
In his profile, he includes the picture with Hillary and explains:
"The picture of me and Hillary Clinton was taken when she came to visit Iraq. I was actually ordered to shake her hand, and I never figured that my friends would circulate it all over the net. I AM NOT a Hillary fan by any stretch."
I don't want to be "that guy" that points on hideous lapses in courtesies and customs, but the crossed finger distress signal is really tacky and unbecoming of someone wearing the uniform of his country. He may not like the Senator, but she is a United States Sentator, the former first lady and a presidential candidate. I know I should probably put on my flame suit, but this guy should be ashamed of himself. What he is doing is tacky at best and totally disrespectful at worst. I can only imagine that if he had done it if she were President, there would be holy hell to pay. Very disappointing.
Quote from: SARMedTech on April 01, 2008, 06:35:57 PM
I don't want to be "that guy" that points on hideous lapses in courtesies and customs, but the crossed finger distress signal is really tacky and unbecoming of someone wearing the uniform of his country. He may not like the Senator, but she is a United States Sentator, the former first lady and a presidential candidate. I know I should probably put on my flame suit, but this guy should be ashamed of himself. What he is doing is tacky at best and totally disrespectful at worst. I can only imagine that if he had done it if she were President, there would be holy hell to pay. Very disappointing.
Personally, my take on this is along the lines of salute the rank, not the person. He's shaking her hand and smiling, doesn't mean he has to like her. Probably not the best thing to do as far as C&C, but still funny in my opinion.
I thought the game pic was a good example of 'loss of situation awareness' that I imagine many of our cadets would 'get'.
It made me chuckle at least as much as the old photo of Clinton and crossed fingers.
Quote from: jeders on April 01, 2008, 07:26:23 PMPersonally, my take on this is along the lines of salute the rank, not the person.
I really dislike that phrase, because it makes people think they're exempt from basic human courtesy and respect.
Yes, Sen. Clinton gets "saluted" (so to speak) because she is a U.S. Senator, but that doesn't mean you should take a dump on her front lawn if you don't like her.
Every time I've heard the phrase "salute the rank, not the person", it has been in the context of showing a token display of respect while simultaneously exuding a rather stunning
lack of respect underneath.
^ Thats one take on that phrase. I see it as showing respect to the person because of the rank they have. I can hate a person and dislike them as much as I want, but because either their position or status is greater than my own, I will show respect to that position or status.
I honestly expect people to not like me, and think negatively of me, but I know in the military, when I give an order that it will be carried out because the person respects my rank.
I would rather someone respect me because I have earned there respect, not just because I am of higher rank. If I give an order I expect it to be done to the fullest because thats what the job calls for. But demanding respect from someone based upon rank is demeaning and makes the person of the higher rank look like a @$$.
As far as this topic goes, all pictures are very funny.
Quote from: cnitas on April 01, 2008, 08:23:22 PM
I thought the game pic was a good example of 'loss of situation awareness' that I imagine many of our cadets would 'get'.
It made me chuckle at least as much as the old photo of Clinton and crossed fingers.
Yeah, thats the problem.
How is it a problem?
Someday you'll understand.
Tell that to Shigeru Miyamoto.
Siiiiiiiigh.
While you might call it a problem, it is a reality that we face today. Obviously, I would rather see them out at CAP activities being active, but you ignore the modern world at your own peril.
This is only going to become more prevalent as we get more connected and spend more time with computers each day, so instead of being an old codger and just insisting it is a problem, embrace it and use it to motivate your cadets.
Those same kids who spent all their time sitting in front of a computer are now building us websites and moving us to online record keeping, so the problem has a silver lining.
Perhaps the gamers of today will make good UAV fliers in the future.
QuotePerhaps the gamers of today will make good UAV fliers in the future.
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OK,
Enjoy your games.
Quote from: SARMedTech on April 01, 2008, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on March 31, 2008, 04:16:58 PM
Regarding the pic of the soldier with Senator Clinton:
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The picture shows that this soldier has been thru Survival School and learned his lessons well. He's giving the sign of "coercion" with his left hand. These hand signs are taught in survival school to be used by POW's as a method of posing messages back to our intelligence services who may view the photo or video.
This guy was obviously being coerced into shaking hands with Hillary Clinton. It's ironic how little she knew that he would so inform us about the photo—perhaps because she's never understood our military to begin with.
Verification from snopes.com with an explanation of the crossed fingers:
Quote
Military history includes many instances when soldiers who fell into the hands of the enemy were trotted out before photographers or television cameras by their captors for purposes of propaganda: — to create false images intended to trick audiences into believing that the prisoners were actually well-cared for, sympathized with their captors, or were voluntarily denouncing the political policies of their home countries.
Likewise, military history includes many instances in which such captured soldiers managed to inserted subtle and furtive signs into propagandistic images to express their defiance, to indicate that the information they were relaying was false, or to signal that they were acting under duress.
(One of the most well-known examples of this phenomenon is the infamous middle finger gesture employed by the crew of the USS Pueblo in photographs after their ship was captured by North Korea in 1968.)
(http://www.charmaineyoest.com/archives/pueblo_crew_time_18_oct_1968.jpg)
Verification from truthorfiction.com adds a follow-up from the subject himself:
QuoteThe answer is that he did intentionally cross his fingers during the handshake and it did mean that he was not thrilled to shake Senator Clinton's hand.
After his discharge from the Army, the soldier posted a personal profile on Yahoo Personals as part of looking for introductions to single females.
In his profile, he includes the picture with Hillary and explains:
"The picture of me and Hillary Clinton was taken when she came to visit Iraq. I was actually ordered to shake her hand, and I never figured that my friends would circulate it all over the net. I AM NOT a Hillary fan by any stretch."
I don't want to be "that guy" that points on hideous lapses in courtesies and customs, but the crossed finger distress signal is really tacky and unbecoming of someone wearing the uniform of his country. He may not like the Senator, but she is a United States Sentator, the former first lady and a presidential candidate. I know I should probably put on my flame suit, but this guy should be ashamed of himself. What he is doing is tacky at best and totally disrespectful at worst. I can only imagine that if he had done it if she were President, there would be holy hell to pay. Very disappointing.
Now, If I had doen that to George Bush (who I met in Iraq) you guys would be all over me. But I took thehigher road. When he came into the room, I left. ;D
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 02, 2008, 06:43:04 PMNow, If I had doen that to George Bush (who I met in Iraq) you guys would be all over me. But I took thehigher road. When he came into the room, I left. ;D
I would have been all over you regardless if it was H. Clinton or G. Bush; because you're a 30-something officer, not some early-20s enlisted guy who got out and later posted the pic.
Kind of like how when you're 35 and can't believe some of the things you did when you were 25, 20 or 15. Hopefully by the time that former
specialist PFC is in his 30s he'll somewhat understand how what he did was disrespectful. Funny and sneaky, but disrespectful.
The guy in the pic is an officer as well. To eachhis own I guess. Its all good with me. I served my country honorably and still continue to serve today
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 02, 2008, 06:56:39 PM
The guy in the pic is an officer as well. To eachhis own I guess. Its all good with me. I served my country honorably and still continue to serve today
Negative. In that picture he was a PFC.
Quote from: Stonewall on April 02, 2008, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 02, 2008, 06:43:04 PMNow, If I had doen that to George Bush (who I met in Iraq) you guys would be all over me. But I took thehigher road. When he came into the room, I left. ;D
I would have been all over you regardless if it was H. Clinton or G. Bush; because you're a 30-something officer, not some early-20s enlisted guy who got out and later posted the pic.
Kind of like how when you're 35 and can't believe some of the things you did when you were 25, 20 or 15. Hopefully by the time that former specialist is in his 30s he'll somewhat understand how what he did was disrespectful. Funny and sneaky, but disrespectful.
I have to go with Kirt on this one. You may hate the elected leadership, but you should respect the person for the office they hold, if not the office itself. Many Dem's HATE the President, but should respect the office enough to show him respect. I hate Senator Clinton, but I would never do what that Soldier did. In fact, if he was in my Chain, I would seriously think about some consequences to throw his way, at the very least a letter of reprimand for his file, and a hold on his promotions.
I really didnt intend for my comment to get into a full blown out thread. I am currently in flight training and way to busy to monitor this board. (thats why you guys havent seen me post in a while, I just happen to be at lucnchright now)
But bottomline is this. Inever disrespect my cahin of command. I left because I chose to go and actualyl do my job. when youare in a war, you dont always have time to sit around and suck up to the brass when they come around every blue moon to pay you a visit. I had soldiers outside the wire and I needed to do my job for them. I didnt have time to sit around and pal around. Plus, If I had sopkoen to this man, i would have probably said something to get myself in trouble so I took the high road. thats called self discipline and is a leadership principle.
I dont think what this soldier did to Mrs. Clinton was anything worthy of a repremand or anything in his file. Its just not that serious.
I do not hate the current administartion. I dont agree with them but hate is a strong word. I am a conservative Democrat but please do not hold me to a stereotype. Dont geoup me into this group because of my political affliliation. You know nothing about me. or how I vote.
Anyway, I have to get back to learning about bleed air and hydrolic systems on a jet, so my brain will be freid. I will check this site later. Peace.
Sorry about the rant earlier. Youguys have no idea how stressed I have been the last month. I have been in AZ (read my other thread "Anyone onhere in AZWG") I amlearning to fly a CRJ and it isnt easy. Its not the flying I am used to. Its more monitoring systems. But I will survive. I have to fly back to GA this weekend because I have Guard Drill.
CRJ = Computer flying slicker than snot aircraft that you actually have to plan on how to fly......
Quote from: mikeylikey on April 02, 2008, 07:07:01 PM
I have to go with Kirt on this one. You may hate the elected leadership, but you should respect the person for the office they hold, if not the office itself. Many Dem's HATE the President, but should respect the office enough to show him respect. I hate Senator Clinton, but I would never do what that Soldier did. In fact, if he was in my Chain, I would seriously think about some consequences to throw his way, at the very least a letter of reprimand for his file, and a hold on his promotions.
Could you do anything? The UCMJ is different for the E's and O's as far as respect to elected officials.
If you tried to give me NJP over something like this...I think I would refuse and force it to a court....at which point I think the JAG would just walk away from it.
^ Not withstanding, an Article 15 may be appropriate. I would use a summarized ART 15, and issue an oral reprimand and my choice of 14 days extra duty or restriction. If the Battalion Staff Judge Advocate does not agree with my course, then I would bring Non-Punitive Measures against the member, to include Admonition and Counseling (fully noted on the members DA 4856), and Denial of Privileges.
You would have every right to refuse my Article 15, but your next course of action would be sending it through the chain to my boss. In the meantime, my Article 15 directives would stand, and you would be required to carry them out until told otherwise. If not then I WOULD reccomend to higher HQ a summary court martial be convened.
Company Grade Commanders have broad legal measures at their disposal. Non Judicial Punishment, judicial and administrative actions. Heck If I wanted to I could order a soldier to work after duty hours and on weekends and there is nothing he or she can do about it. All the Officer has to prove when questioned by SJA after the soldier files a complaint is that I "feel" he or she did not do enough during the regular duty day.
I have been through the military justice system backward and forward, and spent time working with SJA Officers. I spent 2 weeks on military justice in ROTC, and 2 weeks on military justice at my Officer Basic Course and 2 weeks on military justice at my Officer Advance Course. I am no lawyer, but I do know what I can and can not do when it comes to Commanding a Unit.
PLUS the Army gave me a pocket card to carry around letting me know exactly what I can do in these types of situations. ;D
Quote from: dwb on April 01, 2008, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: jeders on April 01, 2008, 07:26:23 PM
Yes, Sen. Clinton gets "saluted" (so to speak) because she is a U.S. Senator, but that doesn't mean you should take a dump on her front lawn if you don't like her.
Point of order: Senators don't rate salutes. IIRC, only the president rates one. There may be others. [/nit pick]
Now, back to your regularly scheduled argument. :D
What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread
Quote from: Gunner C on April 03, 2008, 08:05:39 AMPoint of order: Senators don't rate salutes. IIRC, only the president rates one. There may be others. [/nit pick]
Hence the "quotes" -- I was referring to a generic display of respect in the context of the "salute the rank, not the person" phrase.
Quote from: isuhawkeye on April 03, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread
Not a thing. Folks on here have a way of swaying off topic.
Senators do not get saluted. Only people in the Chain of Command get saluted. thats why in every military training school, the Chain of Command is one of the first things taught.
CAP needs to get more military
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 03, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: isuhawkeye on April 03, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread
Not a thing. Folks on here have a way of swaying off topic.
Senators do not get saluted. Only people in the Chain of Command get saluted. thats why in every military training school, the Chain of Command is one of the first things taught.
CAP needs to get more military
Actually "CAP needs to get
more military"
Quote from: SARMedTech on April 03, 2008, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 03, 2008, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: isuhawkeye on April 03, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
What exactly does all of this have to do with a humorous situational awareness thread
Not a thing. Folks on here have a way of swaying off topic.
Senators do not get saluted. Only people in the Chain of Command get saluted. thats why in every military training school, the Chain of Command is one of the first things taught.
CAP needs to get more military
Actually "CAP needs to get more military"
What does that mean? The uniforms, rank structure, salutung, etc etc? We're not the military, no should we ever be. We're a paramilitary organization.
You had your chance.