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 91 
 on: Yesterday at 05:38:25 PM 
Started by Ravenwings - Last post by TheSkyHornet
As answered above, NHQ will send the certificate out. It is not framed, just the certificate and summary letter.

We provide a certificate for every promotion to recognize the advancement in grade. For C/2d Lt, we'll present the promotion certificate and pin on the new insignia because we cannot guarantee as to when the Mitchell Award certificate will actually arrive in the mail. In the meantime, we get a nice wood frame for the certificate for when it does arrive. Once we have it, we put the award in, tape the letter to the back, and present it at a subsequent meeting.

I recommend not withholding a promotion ceremony just because you don't have the award certificate yet.

This is exactly the way it should be done.  My squadron gave a certificate for each promotion (thanks to SIMS).  We had a ceremony once per month but all promotions were dated on the day they were achieved.  Once the Mitchell or higher milestone arrived we coordinated with the Group/Wing/Region CC to present the certificate.  I have seen too many squadrons not pin on the rank until the certificate arrives and that is just wrong.  Sometimes (rarely now thankfully) it may take a month or more for the certificate to arrive.

That's the way my squadron conducted itself prior to my joining and assumption as CDC. All too often did I see cadets, who promoted weeks prior, not being permitted to wear their correct insignia or use their correct/current title. Promotions were always conducted on "Blues days" (4th week of every month). If that month had a meeting cancellation for that week for whatever reason, the promotion was pushed until the end of the following month. And if someone was waiting on an award to come from NHQ (e.g., Mitchell), the promotion was held up until the certificate came in the mail. Furthermore, with the  C/SrA "Feik" promotions, our Commander at the time was hellbent on getting a letter from Mary Feik to present with the promotion (not uncommon). But the Commander would hold up the promotion until the letter was received. I found the whole thing to be absolutely ridiculous.

Sure, it's precious, sweet, and a once-in-a-lifetime moment for cadets to get presented with an award. You want it to be special. But at the same time, with most promotions (e.g., C/TSgt), nobody really cares. The cadet wants to wear the new insignia and be called the proper grade that he/she has earned.

This is a little bit sidetracked from the OP's question. It's juts a subject that really frosts my cookies.

 92 
 on: Yesterday at 05:26:21 PM 
Started by deepblue1947 - Last post by deepblue1947
Before you can recruit new members, you need to clear out some deadwood. If they're not part of the solution, they are the problem. Show them the door.

Set expectations high. Level 1 is the bare minimum, not the end goal.

Use the 10 active seniors as the foundation for rebuilding. Fill the important positions, and tell Wing to pound sand about the rest.

We rebuilt starting with 6 senior members. The slackers quit when they figured out that they would actually need to pull their own weight. We went from a struggling unit to a powerhouse inside of two years. It can be done.

Makes perfect sense to me.  Thank you for your response.

 93 
 on: Yesterday at 02:36:39 PM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by etodd

 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)


 94 
 on: Yesterday at 02:07:13 PM 
Started by deepblue1947 - Last post by EMT-83
Before you can recruit new members, you need to clear out some deadwood. If they're not part of the solution, they are the problem. Show them the door.

Set expectations high. Level 1 is the bare minimum, not the end goal.

Use the 10 active seniors as the foundation for rebuilding. Fill the important positions, and tell Wing to pound sand about the rest.

We rebuilt starting with 6 senior members. The slackers quit when they figured out that they would actually need to pull their own weight. We went from a struggling unit to a powerhouse inside of two years. It can be done.

 95 
 on: Yesterday at 02:05:51 PM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by Red 6
It's even more pronounced in Scouting. They put the organizational name on so many different insignia, you might end up wearing multiple patches that each say BSA or Boy Scouts of America. If you look at military insignia, you almost never see the service name on badges and patches, except ID tapes on utility-type uniforms. The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.

Red 6

 96 
 on: Yesterday at 01:39:12 PM 
Started by AWACS-Guy - Last post by NIN
Vague: reviewed your "membership portfolio", not able to improve your CAP experience, unable to effectively add you to our membership. I'm a nice guy and had all of a three minute discussion with the CC.

I had an old CAP friend (we were cadets together, he joined the Marine Corps, I joined the Army) who took a job transfer from CA to the Midwest. He was in the CG Aux, local units were "less than satisfactory," so he said "Hey, you know, I'll look at CAP again!" He pinged me, knowing my role and asked for 411 on units local to him. I reached out to my peeps in the AO, got the hot intel and shipped off the two nearest units.

First unit, supposedly the more high-speed of the two, they showed him around, talked to him a little and then basically said "Yeah, we're not looking for new members. Thanks.." and showed him the door.  He said "They seemed real professional and active, sounded like they had a great program there, but they were totally uninterested in taking on new members. At all."

Second unit, actually closer to his house, said "Ohhh, lets talk!"   Before he could pull the trigger on membership, though, his company temporarily moved him to another state on a 9-12 month assignment not far from where we grew up. He went down to the local unit there, and now he's a member.

But that first unit, their response was utterly incomprehensible to me. I get "We're not taking new members right at this second, however, if you come back in January, we'll be doing our next cohort training and we'll take you on board and get you trained up..."  Hey, thats my jam, I get that routine.  But in further exploration, it wasn't that at all. They just flat out told him "Yeah, no, we're not taking on anybody new.." 

 97 
 on: Yesterday at 01:33:59 PM 
Started by deepblue1947 - Last post by deepblue1947
I am sure that the scenario I am about to present is not unique and many other senior squadrons may have the same dilemma.  Our SC constantly has pressure on him by Wing to fulfill staff officer positions.  Unfortunately we have a good number of members who do nothing and will not step up to fill these positions, so what happens is that the SC will just appoint someone to those positions and then he takes heat because these people are not advancing or working actively to perform their assigned duties.  it becomes a Catch 22 situation or a double edge sword.  He is [darn]ed if he doesn't and [darn]ed if he does.  I do not envy his position.  Due to pressure from WIng to get the numbers up in the squadron, people are often recruited that really shouldn't be.  I am the assistant PD officer for our squadron and I had one member who was dragging their feet on Level 1 and then drug their feet to complete ICUT.  I did my best to inspire and offer help and finally this person told me that the only reason they wanted to be in CAP was because it looked good on their resume.  This was their actual words. 

I think a lot of the problem is not proper vetting of prospective new members but when you are getting pressured to get the numbers up there is a tendency to take just about anybody who is breathing and can pass the FBI background check.  Have you ever looked at someone in CAP who does nothing and you want to ask them, why are you even in CAP.  Sometimes I think the pressure to add bodies to a unit overrides common sense and these people come in not knowing what CAP is or what is expected of them as a Senior Member.   

Again I am sure our squadron is not unique in these respects and I am not even the R&R or PA officer but this is a problem.  We cannot fulfill those positions with 27 members in our squadron.  Out of those 27 maybe 10 actually participate. 

Guess I am just frustrated because i care and is seems a lot of others within the squadron do not. 

Mg

 98 
 on: Yesterday at 01:27:11 PM 
Started by AWACS-Guy - Last post by Mordecai
Man, I wish we had that problem where we had to turn away volunteers...

 99 
 on: Yesterday at 01:12:50 PM 
Started by CAPSOC_0pur8ur - Last post by CAPSOC_0pur8ur
Thanks for the input. Speaking of both locations, how does the experience differ from each one? I know Kirtland is at a higher altitude than Davis-Monthan (oughta be fun for someone who lives basically at sea level ;D), but other than that, how do they compare in terms of what is taught and the activities that are done?

 100 
 on: Yesterday at 01:00:02 PM 
Started by CAPSOC_0pur8ur - Last post by Offutteer
No, I haven't attended.  but I've worked with the PJOC staff from both locations, great people, and a lot of cadets that have attended from all over the US.

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