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Title: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: LATORRECA on May 15, 2017, 04:59:20 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen,

   This morning browsing through the news, I found this article and a  pics in it. As you will see the Wing Cmdr is using the WWII uniform.
  My question is why and if is allowed. I'm curious if this a guy trying to reenact or simply breaking the regulation as using a not approved uniform for a official presentation.
    Like I said just CURIOUS.

Article:
http://www.newjerseyhills.com/bernardsville_news/news/bernardsville-cadet-honored-by-civil-air-patrol/article_d3cd7d93-6bac-5e4c-bce7-70e7a0869b59.html

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Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: SarDragon on May 15, 2017, 05:36:22 AM
While I don't think there is specific mention is any regs concerning this, there is precedent for wearing historical uniforms in ceremonial occasions. As long it's properly outfitted with insignia, etc., I doubt that anyone in a position of real authority will make it an issue. We have someone in CAWG with an extensive collection of historical uniforms who wears one or another on various occasions. If he sees this, he might even comment.
Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: Eclipse on May 15, 2017, 05:39:12 AM
+1 Shouldn't be worn anywhere a uniform is "required", but conferences, ceremonies, even parades, no biggie.
Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: LATORRECA on May 15, 2017, 06:47:28 AM
Roger, I just wondering why. I only see the old uniforms on reenactments or historical cap booth.


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Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on May 15, 2017, 06:59:30 AM
There is a difference between being a "re-enactor" and being somebody in office wearing an old uniform. I see lots of re-enactors wearing Confederate uniforms. Nobody ever thinks that they are actual Confederate colonels or sergeants. They are simply people wearing costumes.

This photo seems to be deliberately blurring the lines. The presentation was at what, a Region Conference? And the presenter is the current Wing Commander, presenting a current program milestone award. Yet, he is costumed, yes, costumed, as a WWII pilot assigned to anti-submarine duties with an Air Medal. So, what is he? Re-enactor? Or Wing Commander?

I'd have a lot less concern if he wore it to a room set up as a historical display venue but wore something current for official duties.
Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: LATORRECA on May 15, 2017, 07:02:18 AM
Just wondering. Nothing else. Never seen it, during official duties. Just asking


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Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: Cliff_Chambliss on May 15, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
He may be onto something.
1.  The uniform is distinctive.
2.  The uniform would have historical significance;  (witness the US Army return to blue uniforms and the ex USAF Chief of Staff attempting push to adopt the 1918 style dress uniform).
3.  Being that it's not a current uniform everyone could wear it without regard to weight grooming standards.
Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: LATORRECA on May 15, 2017, 06:44:48 PM
Make it Corporate. Not bad. Let's keep the fairy internal. Like it. I wonder how will it work for the supply or surplus of uniforms. Interested in it.

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Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: PHall on May 16, 2017, 02:02:27 AM
This was during the New Jersey Wing Conference and I bet there was a Heritage Display too.
Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: ColonelJack on May 16, 2017, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: LATORRECA on May 15, 2017, 06:44:48 PM
Make it Corporate. Not bad. Let's keep the fairy internal. Like it. I wonder how will it work for the supply or surplus of uniforms. Interested in it.

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Don't get too interested too quickly ... there's a story in Army Times that indicates they're thinking of returning to the "pinks and greens" as the regular daily office uniform for the Army.  That would relegate the ASU to more "formal" occasions - like the dress blues used to be. 

One pushback they might get on that idea is that, during WWII, the pinks and greens were only for officers, and enlisted men wore khaki.  This "new" idea calls for everybody to get them.  They're already doing cost and manufacturing surveys.

Of course, it may all come to naught, as I am sure the Army (and the other branches as well) have many more important things to attend to ...

Jack
Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on May 16, 2017, 12:07:13 PM
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...pinks and greens were only for officers, and enlisted men wore khaki.


When?

Only in garrison. The Army Summer Service uniform, as the Khaki was known, continued to be worn in the Pacific by both enlisted and officers at the front. There are photos.

I have also seen photos of enlisted and officers wearing Khaki coats.


Title: Re: WWII in a official presentation
Post by: LATORRECA on May 16, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
Wow. Men I'm glad I'm in the Corps. We only change trousers and Utility uniforms throughout the years or with the season . Still wear our service witch is very similar to the one depicted in the picture as I remember since the 40's.


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