Armstrong to Mitchell

[mprokosch11]

Two questions here:

1. Do you have to wait the 60 days after completing the Armstrong Achivement to be promoted to C/2d LT? I've been told by other SMs you don't but NHQ says otherwise. My Squadron Commander sent in my Mitchell info and they rejected it, I guess for that reason.

2. This is an ES question but, my squadron commander said that e-services doesn't have any record of my Curry Achievment, so he can't process my 101 card stuff. On e-services it says Wright Brothers Award #5436.

What the heck is happening here?

[jeders]

On the 2nd question, you have to enter (or at least I did as a C/2d Lt) your Curry info yourself.

On the first question, sorry, not sure.

[jimmydeanno]

2-3. Progression.
a. Sequence & Spacing. Cadets complete achievements and milestone awards sequentially. See Figure 2-1 for the Cadet Program's path of progression. Cadets may complete Achievement 1 any time after joining CAP. They may attempt the Spaatz Award exam any time after completing Phase IV (see paragraph 2-8g). All other achievements require a minimum separation of 2 months (approximately 8 weeks) between each achievement and milestone award (except as noted for JROTC in chapter 6).

No, it's not 60 days, it is 2 months minimum.  That time frame is between achievements and milestones as well.

[mprokosch11]

Thanks for clearing that part up.

How do I enter my Curry Achievement into e-services?

[Al Sayre]

Two questions here:

1. Do you have to wait the 60 days after completing the Armstrong Achivement to be promoted to C/2d LT? I've been told by other SMs you don't but NHQ says otherwise. My Squadron Commander sent in my Mitchell info and they rejected it, I guess for that reason.

2. This is an ES question but, my squadron commander said that e-services doesn't have any record of my Curry Achievment, so he can't process my 101 card stuff. On e-services it says Wright Brothers Award #5436.

What the heck is happening here?

Answer to Question 1 See CAPR 52-16 you now have to wait two months between Achievements OR Milestone awards.

Answer to Question 2  The Curry award is not entered in eServices as such, your Squadron Commander or other person with web authority must go into Operations Qualifications, and enter tthe information under the "Cadet" tab.

[mprokosch11]

Answer to Question 1 See CAPR 52-16 you now have to wait two months between Achievements OR Milestone awards.

Answer to Question 2  The Curry award is not entered in eServices as such, your Squadron Commander or other person with web authority must go into Operations Qualifications, and enter tthe information under the "Cadet" tab.

Thanks, Sir, i'll be sure to tell my commander about entering my Curry for me.

Tags - MIKE

[Camas]

Your Squadron Commander or other person with web authority must go into Operations Qualifications, and enter the information under the "Cadet" tab.

You can do this yourself:
1.  Go into e-services and into the "My Operations Qualifications/National Reports" link.  You find this under CAP Utilities which is the left side list of menu items.
2.  Go to the "cadet" module which is located with six other modules across the top of the page.
3.  Enter the date for each of the four Curry achievements as you complete them.  Then, hit "update".  The date will now appear in yellow.
4.  Your commander can now validate and approve each and approve the Curry for you.  Each date as it is validated will now appear in green.
5.  Notify your commander that you've entered the Curry information into the e-services system; he or she will not receive any automatic notification.

[RiverAux]

Disappointing that a squadron commander didn't know how to handle a Curry data entry. 

[IceNine]

Disappointing that a squadron commander didn't know how to handle a Curry data entry. 

Gotta learn some how, Commanding a unit doesn't come with an owners manual, unless I missed something

[SDF_Specialist]

Even more disappointing that I can't enter my own curry date now that I'm an officer. Or can I? That particular module seems a little confusing to me, but that could be because I've never noticed it.

[IceNine]

You cannot,  Curry=Level I.  AS long as you have level 1 listed you are golden

[RiverAux]

Disappointing that a squadron commander didn't know how to handle a Curry data entry. 

Gotta learn some how, Commanding a unit doesn't come with an owners manual, unless I missed something

Actually there is...called CAP regulations.  Its not like this was a very hard question and should have been on the tip of the tongue of just about any senior working with cadets.

The squadron commander didn't actually learn anything form this exchange.  A cadet came to him wtih a problem and the commander more or less said - "you go figure it out" rather than telling the cadet -- "you know, thats a good question, let me find out and get back with you as that is something I should probably learn". 

[Camas]

Even more disappointing that I can't enter my own curry date now that I'm an officer. Or can I? That particular module seems a little confusing to me, but that could be because I've never noticed it.

As stated; no, you can't get into it.  Only cadets can enter Curry info into the system and only commanders or those who have the restricted application permissions can get into the module to enter, validate or approve the Curry requirements.  A bit off topic perhaps so if you have questions please PM me; I'll try to assist if and where I can.

[dwb]

RiverAux, I personally know both the cadet and the squadron commander in question here, and I can state pretty confidently that your portrail of the situation is probably exactly what didn't happen.

We don't have a lot of cadets that participate in ES in our Group.  I'm not surprised that the commander didn't know the Curry date needs to be manually entered.  It's not exactly obvious, is it?  Cadet has his Wright Bros, he must, by definition, have his Curry.  Why isn't the MIMS software smart enough to realize this?

But hey, it's a lot easier to slander others anonymously on an Internet forum, isn't it?

[SDF_Specialist]

You cannot,  Curry=Level I.  AS long as you have level 1 listed you are golden

Well then in that case, shine me up, and take me to the pawn shop!!!

[jimmydeanno]

If you're really cool you have both anyway

[RiverAux]

I didn't slander anyone, just responding to the information provided.  It is a squadron commanders job to know this sort of thing, or if he doesn't, be willing to find it out himself or direct him to the squadron ES officer.  Leaving the cadet hanging so that he has to come here to find out the answer is not an option I would accept from my squadron commander. 

[mprokosch11]

Disappointing that a squadron commander didn't know how to handle a Curry data entry. 

Gotta learn some how, Commanding a unit doesn't come with an owners manual, unless I missed something

Actually there is...called CAP regulations.  Its not like this was a very hard question and should have been on the tip of the tongue of just about any senior working with cadets.

The squadron commander didn't actually learn anything form this exchange.  A cadet came to him wtih a problem and the commander more or less said - "you go figure it out" rather than telling the cadet -- "you know, thats a good question, let me find out and get back with you as that is something I should probably learn". 

I'm going to come to the defence of my Squadron Commander. He was the one who told me what the problem was, he said he would make some calls to NHQ. I just wanted to help him out so I asked a question here.

BTW, he has only been squadron commander for only like maybe a year now.

[RiverAux]

Well that puts a different spin on things.  His heart is in the right place, but a squadron commander who would think the right answer to this problem is to call NHQ is just not thinking very clearly.  ANY ES officer should already know the answer to this, so if his own doesn't and he can't figure it out himself, he should go to the group/Wing ES officer for advice.

[SarDragon]

If you're really cool you have both anyway

I have a Mitchell award, but no Curry. Where does that leave me? 

[dwb]

I have a Mitchell award, but no Curry. Where does that leave me? 

I don't know... the old folks home? 

[jimmydeanno]

I have a Mitchell award, but no Curry.

I'm sorry...

How did you get the Mitchell without a Curry?

[Pylon]

To address the original question, as others have pointed out, it is 60 days between all achievements and milestone awards, no exceptions.  The misperception that you do not need to wait 60 days for awards, just achievements, is because that's how it used to be until the most recent release of CAPR 52-16 (in Oct 06).  It was very recently changed.

[MIKE]

IIRC it inputs your Mitchell date if no Curry is entered.

[BlackKnight]

To address the original question, as others have pointed out, it is 60 days between all achievements and milestone awards, no exceptions.  The misperception that you do not need to wait 60 days for awards, just achievements, is because that's how it used to be until the most recent release of CAPR 52-16 (in Oct 06).  It was very recently changed.

Actually, if you want to be really anal it's no longer 60 days.  CAPR 52-16 Oct 06 changed it to two months.
Guess NHQ must have concluded most senior cadet programs personnel can't count.