Helicopters and CAP?

[Shuman 14]

Question: Does CAP operate and helicopters or are fixed wing aircraft the only ones in use?

Thanks in advance.

[Critical AOA]

Just the stealth ones.

[Flying Pig]

Nope...  none. But Im looking forward to the inevitable discussion coming about R22s and R44s.

However.....  Heres a training my unit did this week.  Im the guy in the green uniform talking.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMB_LSiFbJs

[Al Sayre]

No, helicopters are too ugly, they only fly because the earth repels them...

Seriously, the operating and maintenance cost per hour is much higher than fixed wing and would severely stress our budget.

[blackrain]

The various State National Guards have a rotary wing capability that make it unnecessary.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/uh-72a-lakota/

Add to the Lakota the Chinooks and Blackhawks that do water drops on fires and nothing comes close to matching the capability.

[Flying Pig]

Well.... My Huey check out was $14,000.   Hows that for Form 5 ? 

[blackrain]

Well.... My Huey check out was $14,000.   Hows that for Form 5 ? 

14K? Wow.....about the cost of my daughters car......still, whats the Vne on that Huey?

[bosshawk]

Vne on the Huey is probably not much different than the top speed on your daughter's car.

Rob: you are looking good.  Glad that you wore the ball cap: saves us seeing the reflections on your head.

[blackrain]

Vne on the Huey is probably not much different than the top speed on your daughter's car.

Rob: you are looking good.  Glad that you wore the ball cap: saves us seeing the reflections on your head.

Moulson Air flew us around A-Stan in their blue and white Hueys. I remember the airspeed indicator seemed to hover around 90kts for most of the trip.

[lordmonar]

I guess in theory a member owned helo could be use.....but that would require a lot of hoop jumping and a lot of money.

[a2capt]

There are ex-members who used to use them.. put 1 and 1 together.

[lordmonar]

There are ex-members who used to use them.. put 1 and 1 together.

Well that could be said about a lot of things.

To get back on my soap box.......what are our mission requirements?  That is what assets (personnel and equipment) that we need to do to support customers.    If they need helo support....then we should look at supplying that support.   If not...then let's not waste our time and money.

If the local R-22 pilot only wants to join so he can his helo and nothing else.....well then thanks for playing we need C-182/C-172/C-206/GA-8 pilots thank your very much.

[Flying Pig]

Vne on the Huey is probably not much different than the top speed on your daughter's car.

Rob: you are looking good.  Glad that you wore the ball cap: saves us seeing the reflections on your head.

Moulson Air flew us around A-Stan in their blue and white Hueys. I remember the airspeed indicator seemed to hover around 90kts for most of the trip.

90kts at 90 gallons per hour is a good rule of thumb on a Huey.     A UH1/B205 is going to run you about $1200 per hour.  A Jet Ranger or MD500 will run you about $500 p/hr.   Anything piston..... naaahhhhh......  not in the real world.   Its fun to talk about, but CAP does not have the infrastructure to support helicopters.  Id give it 3 months before someone crashed it.    THe skill set to be able to fly a helicopter low and slow doing any kind of detailed work far exceeds the skill set needed to fly an airplane in a grid search. 

[SARDOC]

If they need helo support....then we should look at supplying that support.   If not...then let's not waste our time and money.

If anybody needs Helo support the IC should contact the AFRCC and request the most appropriate resource.

[NIN]

Used to be a "member-owned helicopter operations" manual in the 55-series.

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=6167.10

[PHall]

Used to be a "member-owned helicopter operations" manual in the 55-series.

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=6167.10

Note the phrase, "used to be"...

[Flying Pig]

In the spirit of helicopter discussions 

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[Shuman 14]

OK, I seriously didn't know helos were such a forbidden topic in CAP... thanks for the info.

[Critical AOA]

In the spirit of helicopter discussions 

You named your helos after the A-bombs dropped on Japan?  Sweet!

[Shuman 14]

Used to be a "member-owned helicopter operations" manual in the 55-series.

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=6167.10

That thread is an interesting read to say the least.