All Stop on High Adventure Activities

[Eclipse]

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/2011_02_03_High_Adventure_Activitie_EC5529EC6670C.pdf

"Effective immediately and through 31 March 2011, all units will refrain from conducting
firearm, paintball, simunition and High Adventure Activities (HAA) as defined in CAPR 52-16,
paragraphs 2-10 and 2-11 (1 February 2011 edition).  HAAs include rappelling, obstacle courses,
low-ropes courses, water survival courses and similar endeavors. "

I would be willing to bet that any number of units saw the sliver of daylight on the word "paintball" and completely missed the
requirement that it be approved by the Wing CC (if not also Group CC).

[MICT1362]

I so badly want to put a large rant on this, but I will make it short and sweet.

DUMB!

-Paramedic

[Flying Pig]

But it doesnt say anything about poker parties! :clap:

[PA Guy]

I think it may be premature to become too upset over this.  The ICL covers a relatively short period of time and has a defined expiration date.  It may be just a chance to fine tune some language, I don't think we will see any major changes in the overall intent of the of the reg.

[Eclipse]

It would be interesting to know why any concerns weren't addressed during the comment period.

[a2capt]

Why do I get the feeling that the draft period was for naught in this case?

I can just imagine it now.. "It says WHAT?!??!"

[manfredvonrichthofen]

I think it may be premature to become too upset over this.  The ICL covers a relatively short period of time and has a defined expiration date.  It may be just a chance to fine tune some language, I don't think we will see any major changes in the overall intent of the of the reg.

I agree. I think this will mainly be a short time so that they can re-define something that got brought up after the draft period was over. I don't think this will bring about any major changes, let alone nixing the entire idea of HAAs.

[Major Lord]

Does this include activities conducted under BSA auspices for dual chartered units? Which units were doing simunition? Really?

Major Lord

[Eclipse]

I sent a note to Mr. LaFond on whether this affects SAMT - the stop only goes to the end of March, but depending on what comes
from there, that is too close to Spring Encampment for my comfort.

[Major Lord]

Tony Upton ( May he live forever in the Halls of Valhalla) arranged for two of us CAWG members who are climbers to go through the "factory" train-the-trainer course for the Ropes course on Camp SLO ( some other bases use the same vendor) so we can train and bless rappelling and ropes course instructors. Seven days of special torture with the Army  National Guard, and after a couple of years, we have conducted zero courses... I can certify you , but no one will use you.... CAWG has not the testicular fortitude for such things I am afraid. I am not sure, but I think that the rifle range ( M-16 familiarization) has not happened at Encampment  in some time either. Pretty low adventure....

Major Lord

[NCRblues]

I really hope this does not turn out to bring more safety requirements.... i think we have enough of that already.

[RiverAux]

As one of the reasons we have ICLs is to address immediate safety concerns, I would tend to be somewhat more pessimistic about this being only a temporary halt to these activities. 

[Daniel]

It says 'Units ' is it still possible to do these activities at wing activities (ie encampments)?
where there is

A) Approval from the wing CC
B) Highly certified instructors

Edit: Oh wait, this is happening now so that 'It will have minimal effect' on summer activities

[Eclipse]

Edit: Oh wait, this is happening now so that 'It will have minimal effect' on summer activities

Not all encampments and firearms training happens in the summer...

[cap235629]

maybe they can revamp the firearms training language to include instructors from CMP and 4H.  They also need to update it to the new NRA qualification program. In fact I may send an email to that effect......

As far as dual chartered units, I don't see this as affecting that as the BSA charter is separate and outside of CAP control.

[FlyTiger77]

As one of the reasons we have ICLs is to address immediate safety concerns, I would tend to be somewhat more pessimistic about this being only a temporary halt to these activities.

I would think that "immediate" safety concerns could have been resolved while drafting a regulation that just hit the streets on the day before yesterday!

[RiverAux]

That would be a reasonable expectation, but this is CAP....

[kmbarnes1]

Low-Ropes Courses? Those are perfect for leadership activities and I don't see how they can be considered "High Adventure" unless they are thinking of something different than I. This is crazy. I can understand (but don't particularly agree with) Paintball but if the Boy Scouts can do it, why can't CAP do it?

[A.Member]

sigh.   

[JeffDG]

The title of the ICL seems to imply that it only applies to cadets is that true?

I know during DWH, there was a push to get aircrews through the Water Survival training here...wondering if that would be impacted.