Shoe Lacing Style Regulation

[Storm Chaser]

Back in the day (late '80s, early '90s) when I was a cadet, we had a specific way to lace our shoes and boots in order for all of us to be uniformed and standardized during drill competitions and when performing Honor Guard/Color Guard duties. Heck, uniformity was so important then that we would all go to the same barber and get the same haircut style before a drill competition.

That being said, there's nothing in CAPM 39-1 regarding that (and there shouldn't be). Frankly, although the commander could establish a policy on this regard, I don't really see the need unless it was for some sort of competition where everyone would need to look exactly the same. Uniforms issues are already complicated and highly debated; we don't need to make it worse.

[Patterson]

It depends on the boots being worn as to whether there is a "standard and prescribed" method to lacing. If you are the proud owner of "Quick or Speed Lace" boots, there certainly is a prescribed manner.  If the boots were new, they should have come with an instructional card. (I am referring to Boots manufactured for the Armed Forces, not those off the rack at Walmart).

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't the OP an AFJROTC Cadet?  Surely
he knows this stuff....

[Rick-DEL]

I think OP is a cadet in AFJROTC, Sea Scouts, and the Young Marines. He also belongs to the BSA, YMCA, Youth Model Government, and the TSA (as in the Trolls Society of America).

Sorry, couldn't resist.... 

[Airman De Ruiter]

I'm an AFJROTC Cadet, USNSCC Cadet, and, as has been specifically pointed out, not technically a CAP Cadet, but treated as such. I wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities. I'm not trolling, I was asking what the lacing style was for CAP. I don't see how that can be misconstrued as trolling.

[Майор Хаткевич]

I'm an AFJROTC Cadet, USNSCC Cadet, and, as has been specifically pointed out, not technically a CAP Cadet, but treated as such. I wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities. I'm not trolling, I was asking what the lacing style was for CAP. I don't see how that can be misconstrued as trolling.

If you are not a member, then you are not allowed to wear an AF style uniform to a meeting. ..

[Cool Mace]

I'm an AFJROTC Cadet, USNSCC Cadet, and, as has been specifically pointed out, not technically a CAP Cadet, but treated as such. I wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities. I'm not trolling, I was asking what the lacing style was for CAP. I don't see how that can be misconstrued as trolling.

If you are not a member, then you are not allowed to wear an AF style uniform to a meeting. ..

I'm still not sure how that was overlooked...
Nice catch.

If the seniors in the squadron you're joining are allowing this, then they are wrong.

[Treadhead]

Almost 30 years in uniform, and i never really gave much thought to lacing my boots.  Could I have been doing it wrong all this time?  If so is it going to affect my retirement?

Hell.  Now that the cat's out of the bag, I'll probably be subject to an article 32 investigation.

[Storm Chaser]

I'm an AFJROTC Cadet, USNSCC Cadet, and, as has been specifically pointed out, not technically a CAP Cadet, but treated as such. I wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities. I'm not trolling, I was asking what the lacing style was for CAP. I don't see how that can be misconstrued as trolling.

Are you serious? You're "not technically a CAP Cadet..." but you "wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities." [sic] I thought you were a self-proclaim "reg nazi"? Don't you know that you're not allowed to wear a CAP uniform and participate in CAP activities if you're not a CAP member according to our regs? You know what; you ARE a troll. Since you joined CAP Talk, you have been instigating others with your comments and overall attitude. Your user name reads "Airman", but you're not an Airman. Your signature line used to read "C/Capt", but you're not a C/Capt. Now you're confirming that you're not even a CAP member, and you want us to believe that you're "not trolling"? Get real!

[a2capt]

Next thing you know, he's going to come back and say "I didn't say I wear the CAP uniform" ..

This would imply that leadership somewhere in NVWG is not only aware of this situation .. but .. permitting it.
It's as if people are being actively thrown under the black vans enroute to investigate.

[Cool Mace]

The only time I ever cared how they were tied was while at NCC.
The whole DT did it the same way for inspection. After that, no one gave it a second thought.

[Airman De Ruiter]

I'm an AFJROTC Cadet, USNSCC Cadet, and, as has been specifically pointed out, not technically a CAP Cadet, but treated as such. I wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities. I'm not trolling, I was asking what the lacing style was for CAP. I don't see how that can be misconstrued as trolling.

Are you serious? You're "not technically a CAP Cadet..." but you "wear the uniform and participate in most CP activities." [sic] I thought you were a self-proclaim "reg nazi"? Don't you know that you're not allowed to wear a CAP uniform and participate in CAP activities if you're not a CAP member according to our regs? You know what; you ARE a troll. Since you joined CAP Talk, you have been instigating others with your comments and overall attitude. Your user name reads "Airman", but you're not an Airman. Your signature line used to read "C/Capt", but you're not a C/Capt. Now you're confirming that you're not even a CAP member, and you want us to believe that you're "not trolling"? Get real!

I haven't meant to cause any problems and I apologize for the ones that came about. I am a C/Amn in AFJROTC so that's why I use "Airman De Ruiter" for a lot of things. And when I was doing the C/Capt Obvious joke I didn't mean for anyone to actually think I was a C/Capt, especially after makin it clear that I was new to CAP, I was "borrowing" the the joke from CAP memes.

[NCRblues]

especially after makin it clear that I was new to cap

Except that you are not even in the program yet, as you can not prove you are a citizen or legal resident. I highly doubt you have been a NJROTC member either, I also highly doubt your involvement in AFROTC as well.

[Airman De Ruiter]

I don't really see why. By the way, just to clarify, I'm in AFJROTC, not AFROTC. I plan on going the enlisted route. Anyway, I was an NS1, a C/SR, and my SNSI was a Cmdr Welp. I completed my ASII and am currently an ASIII-C/Amn. Citizenship may be a requirement, but it's not like they check. They request a SSN, but there's not much they do if they don't get one.

We are also getting super off-topic. I would like to finish this conversation in PM's, but in the interest of not getting this thread locked, to my surprise today, I was given a uniform way of lacing up today. So, that's the way the cookie crumbles. I'll take MSgt's advice in just following orders.

[Luis R. Ramos]

I don't really see why.

You have lied on this board, at least twice you have been caught by several members. When you lie, it casts doubt on everything else you state as the truth.

Lets see what the lies were:

1. The C/Captain joke.
2. Being a CAP member.

Any other regular wants to add to the lies this poster has been caught doing?

There is a story that is well worth repeating.

A sheep herder was bored, and to have some fun, yelled "Wolf! Wolf!" The entire village came out. When they arrived, the sheep herder was laughing. On two other days, he repeated the ruse. On the fourth day, a real wolf started killing his sheep. He yelled "wolf" several times, but not a single person helped him. He lost his sheep because of his earlier tricks.

Airman, Not yet a cadet, you have yelled "Wolf!" on this board at least two times.

(Thanks, Colonel and SJ)

Flyer

[SJFedor]

Airman Cadet, you have yelled "Wolf!" on this board at least two times.

Corrected for ya 

[ColonelJack]

Airman Cadet Not yet a cadet, you have yelled "Wolf!" on this board at least two times.

Corrected for ya 

FTFY ... 

[Storm Chaser]

Airman Cadet Mr. (as far as CAP is concerned), you have yelled "Wolf!" on this board at least two times.

Corrected for ya 

Corrected your correction... With all due respect, of course.

UPDATE: Didn't see the previous post before I hit the reply button. 

[Eclipse]

Citizenship may be a requirement, but it's not like they check. They request a SSN, but there's not much they do if they don't get one.

So I guess "ethics" and "integrity" aren't part of the AFJROTC anymore?

As to shoe lacing.  There's no "standard".  Do it anyway you want, but make sure you don't insinuate to anyone within or outside your
unit that there is a "uniform" way to do it.

[ol'fido]

I don't really see why. By the way, just to clarify, I'm in AFJROTC, not AFROTC. I plan on going the enlisted route. Anyway, I was an NS1, a C/SR, and my SNSI was a Cmdr Welp. I completed my ASII and am currently an ASIII-C/Amn. Citizenship may be a requirement, but it's not like they check. They request a SSN, but there's not much they do if they don't get one.

We are also getting super off-topic. I would like to finish this conversation in PM's, but in the interest of not getting this thread locked, to my surprise today, I was given a uniform way of lacing up today. So, that's the way the cookie crumbles. I'll take MSgt's advice in just following orders.

Let me see if I can give you an analogy. This may fly or it may flop, but it is the best I could come up with.

Jim Parsons plays Dr. Sheldon Cooper on the CBS show, "The Big Bang Theory". Mr. Parsons is NOT a theoretical physicist but he plays one on TV. He gives a very convincing performance as a physicist. For all I know, Mr Parsons may have an interest in physics, he may have taken a course on physics in high school or college, he may have learned rudimentary physics as part of his role as Sheldon Cooper. Again, however, he is NOT a physicist.

When you come on this forum, you are interacting with persons on this forum who have been members of CAP not just for years but in some cases decades. They know what the regulations, policies, and traditions of CAP are. They have been doing this a long time. When your posts take on the tone and attitude that they have, it is kind of like Jim Parsons who just plays a physicist on TV trying to debate theoretical physics with the faculty of the physics department of MIT or Caltech. It just don't work!

[Garibaldi]

Not that I really want to stir the pot, but when I was in AFROTC the standard was left over right on both shoes and tucked in laces. *shrug*