Ranger Headgear

[sarmed1]

Oh joy another ranger topic.

I don't agree as not many people have attend HMRS and to boot there are things you learn there that you'll never use.

compared to.......?  HMRS typically runs somewhere between 100-200 students per summer school in a 10 day activity.  Compared to other NCSA's I'd say thats pretty many CAP members.

I would wager that when it comes to GTM skills there are a lot of members that will never use what they learned; that doesnt automatically negate that information/skills that they learned. 
Just out of curiousity;  which "things" do you mean? (the R/1 knot skills for water knot, swiss seat and chest harness are pretty much the only ones I see....thats a pretty small part of the school just FYI)


Based on my research attached are the list of skills that are on the Ranger skill sheets thru R/1.  table 1 are all of the GTM skills; attachment two are the "Ranger" specific skills. 
mk

[Eclipse]

compared to.......?  HMRS typically runs somewhere between 100-200 students per summer school in a 10 day activity.  Compared to other NCSA's I'd say thats pretty many CAP members.

You're describing a medium sized encampment.

What I'd like to propose is that there be a moratorium against any more HMRS threads beyond simple announcements by any members with less than 100 posts.  That should give anyone sufficient time to spend here and snack on reality for a bit and negate the drive-bys.

There's nothing new under the sun here, and won't be in the foreseeable future.

[Major Lord]

I have nothing against the brand of [training] <edit: mod> that our badgers acquire in "Ranger School" ( I did not know that fingers could be made to feel like they are vomiting until I typed "Ranger School" in connection with a Cadet activity) Yes, some of the skills are transferable, and the tenacity and hardening will (hopefully) make them better cadets, SAR Operators, and probably and put them in the top ten percent  of Map and Compass people in CAP. That being said, I have to wonder if their obsession with wearing girl scout hats (And holding down my gorge........) "Ranger Tabs" ( Thank god I ate a small meal tonight) and general fixation on everything peripheral and unimportant in their training speaks to the seriousness of those selected to attend.

Major Lord

[RogueLeader]

To the op. Why us this not in then uniform section as you are talking about uniforms, and not about the lack of skills?

[fyrfitrmedic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov

Just sayin'.

[Ranger4life]

I completely agree with Ranger Freak. The orange beret would look freakin awesome. Plus, it would only be allowed for a select group of people ( ranger 1st classes and up). Why does blue beret get a beret if Hawk cant have one too?

[Eclipse]

I completely agree with Ranger Freak. The orange beret would look freakin awesome. Plus, it would only be allowed for a select group of people ( ranger 1st classes and up). Why does blue beret get a beret if Hawk cant have one too?

A: It's name.

B: You don't think HMRS already has enough unique identifiers?

Question:  Where did you hear about this conversation?  What motivated you to join the CAPTalk community?

[MIKE]

My guess would be that he completely agrees with ranger_freak because he is ranger_freak.

[RogueLeader]

My guess would be that he completely agrees with ranger_freak because he is ranger_freak.

So does that get both profiles banned, or just one?

[BGNightfall]

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[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

<SARCASM>
Sure. Let's authorize the orange beret, but only in size 13 or larger
</SARCASM>

[a2capt]

Why does blue beret get a beret if Hawk cant have one too?

Rename the whole thing National Orange Beret, and drop all the other specific bling stuff.
As an alternative, you could use gray berets, since it's a Keystone State event, that would give it a link..

[BGNightfall]

For the OP:

If an orange beret is something that you think would improve the Ranger program, then I suggest that you write a paper on what need it fills and how it would benefit the program.  Do some solid research on this, to include viability, and address the negative factors as well (some of which have been voiced on this thread).  Use proper, concise language, and organize your argument into clear bullet points.  Have it proofread by an older cadet, or a Senior Member for spelling or grammar errors.  Once your well-reasoned report is complete, submit it to your chain of command.  The answer may be "No.", or no answer at all.

[ZigZag911]

I see one definite advantage to Orange Beret, and would like to see it authorized for ALL HMRS graduates, assuming it could be approved for wear with service uniforms as well as BDUs.

What advantage, you wonder? Well, it would enable the rest of us to recognize them on sight, rather than wait for them to speak and spew nonsense!

Hey, if they want to wear brightly colored clothing as "warning labels", why try to stop 'em?!?

[Angus]

I see one definite advantage to Orange Beret, and would like to see it authorized for ALL HMRS graduates, assuming it could be approved for wear with service uniforms as well as BDUs.

What advantage, you wonder? Well, it would enable the rest of us to recognize them on sight, rather than wait for them to speak and spew nonsense!

Hey, if they want to wear brightly colored clothing as "warning labels", why try to stop 'em?!?

LOL I love it. 

[sarmed1]

For the OP:

If an orange beret is something that you think would improve the Ranger program, then I suggest that you write a paper on what need it fills and how it would benefit the program.  Do some solid research on this, to include viability, and address the negative factors as well (some of which have been voiced on this thread).  Use proper, concise language, and organize your argument into clear bullet points.  Have it proofread by an older cadet, or a Senior Member for spelling or grammar errors.  Once your well-reasoned report is complete, submit it to your chain of command.  The answer may be "No.", or no answer at all.

that has to be one of the best replys/suggestions to any "bling" issue I have seen here yet.

mk

[sarmed1]

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You forgot someone has to add in about thier experience with Rangers during Katrina

mk

[Майор Хаткевич]

You forgot someone has to add in about thier experience with Rangers during Katrina

Funny, that's what I always think of when Ranger stuff is brought up.

P.S. I wasn't there, just heard the stories.

[sarmed1]

You forgot someone has to add in about thier experience with Rangers during Katrina

Funny, that's what I always think of when Ranger stuff is brought up.

P.S. I wasn't there, just heard the stories.

me either; it is at least one of the more legitimate gripes that I dont see a good excuse for.....

mk

[Extremepredjudice]

Is there something in the water at HMRS? Rangers seem to make up a very large amount of the trolls on CT...