CAP Photo ID project

[Pace]

The problem with your certifications on the reverse is if they change (expire or you add to it).  Do you end up having to get a new card?  It is a good use of the reverse though then wasting it with the 'mission statement' or 'safety pledge' as Pylon said.

In a perfect world, any time one received a new rating or one expired, a new card would be issued.  In reality, I think the option should be made available to buy a new card if one so chooses or simply wait until the next time a card is issued (upon membership renewal).

Second issue:  The barcode.  What information do we want stored in the barcode and who has barcode readers readily available?

The barcode was pulled straight from the current 101 card.  It's just the CAPID.  I believe the idea was to one day incorporate the use of barcodes into ES operations at SAREXs and on missions for quicker check-in and check-out of personnel.  The idea was also to have admin linked to MIMS so that the most current ES information on the individual would be available to the mission staff.  National liked the barcode so I figured I'd add it to my idea.

[Pace]

By taking off your height, weight, hair color, eye color you've turned it back  into a 101 card.

No, I didn't.  The height, weight, hair color, and eye color are currently on the 101 card.  I took them off because you have a picture of the member on the front of the card...and because there's no room left on the back of the card.  The 101 card also doesn't include the membership expiration month/year.  The 101 card is also currently not designed to be on a PVC card.  Other than that, the current membership card and 101 card share the member's name, unit, CAPID #, the barcode, and the member's grade.

What about members who are not active in Emergency Services but are focused on Cadet Programs or Aerospace Education? As a matter of Cadet Protection shouldn't the date of CPPT training be indicated somewhere.

Then their 101 card (the reverse side of the new card) would appear just like their 101 card appears now.

Besides, since when do CAP members have an issued card that reflects CPPT completion.

[Pylon]

I could see CPPT being a useful achievement to note, if you're going to be listing achievements on the reverse.  Certain achievements, such as CPPT, Radio Operators Permits (Basic and Advanced), CAP Driver's License, or certain specialty ratings (MLO, Chaplain, etc) would be handy to have on the card; whereas other achievements (professional development levels and seminars) would really serve no purpose being on the actual ID card.

It all depends on whether you want to identify that member's capabilities on the back or not.  Capabilities mean more than ES ratings, however.  If you're going to do it at all, I'd say add in the other essentials I mentioned above.

[arajca]

I could see CPPT being a useful achievement to note, if you're going to be listing achievements on the reverse.  Certain achievements, such as CPPT, Radio Operators Permits (Basic and Advanced), CAP Driver's License, or certain specialty ratings (MLO, Chaplain, etc) would be handy to have on the card; whereas other achievements (professional development levels and seminars) would really serve no purpose being on the actual ID card.

It all depends on whether you want to identify that member's capabilities on the back or not.  Capabilities mean more than ES ratings, however.  If you're going to do it at all, I'd say add in the other essentials I mentioned above.

Instead of putting "CPPT Date" or something similar, use a bright red stripe (1/2" min) along one edge, front and back, to indicate those who have NOT completed CPPT. It is easier to see.

The only PD ratings (if any) that I think should be on the card might be Chaplain, HSO, MLO, Safety. Those are specific ratings that are applicable at ANY CAP function/activity.

The problem with using the ID card as a 101card comes when ES quals expire. Say I take advantage of the multiyear renewal national is looking at. If a qual expires in the first year, I would need to replace my card. If I don't want to spend the $5 (min) National would probably charge for a replacement card, I could keep saying I am still qualified. On the flip, if I add a qual, I have to get a new card or carry some documnetation saying I am qualified. The current program for 101cards works well enough. When I add/lose a qual, I can easily print out a new card. With a real photo ID, the picture can be dropped from the 101card. If each mission had a check in with access to a current National ES qual database, the barcode scanning would cover that, but that capability doesn't exist uniformly.

If we could get National to track ROA cards (have the wings still issue them, but have a spot in MIMS to input the ROA card number), putting the ROA # would be nice. Same with the CAP driver's license (more accurately a Corporate Vehicle Operator's Permit) number and vehicle type permitted.

I'd still put ht/wt/hair/eye color on the card. It serves as a back up to the photo.

Another security feature would be to randomly print a b&w CAP seal over the upper edge of the photo overlapping onto the card background, but not covering the face. Follow this with a hologram overlay with the CAP seal/AF wing in a repeated pattern.

Also, put the CIVIL AIR PATROL above the US Air Force Auxilary. We don't want someone thinking this is an Air Force card.

Remember, all the information has to be available in the National database for the card to work.

Yea, I know. this is more than one item, put when the juices start flowing, it's hard to stop.

[Major_Chuck]

I recommended the CPPT training because at an activity you don't know who has actually completed the mandatory training requirement.  In todays world it would serve as a safeguard to our Cadet Members.  This would be handy when you don't have a computer to verify information.

Every card that I have had that has served as a form of identification has also listed height, weight, hair color etc as a security feature to verify the holder as that person.

-CC

By taking off your height, weight, hair color, eye color you've turned it back  into a 101 card.

No, I didn't.  The height, weight, hair color, and eye color are currently on the 101 card.  I took them off because you have a picture of the member on the front of the card...and because there's no room left on the back of the card.  The 101 card also doesn't include the membership expiration month/year.  The 101 card is also currently not designed to be on a PVC card.  Other than that, the current membership card and 101 card share the member's name, unit, CAPID #, the barcode, and the member's grade.

What about members who are not active in Emergency Services but are focused on Cadet Programs or Aerospace Education? As a matter of Cadet Protection shouldn't the date of CPPT training be indicated somewhere.

Then their 101 card (the reverse side of the new card) would appear just like their 101 card appears now.

Besides, since when do CAP members have an issued card that reflects CPPT completion.

[Pace]

My design was simply to resolve my beef with having to keep up with all the different cards if it is feasible to incorporate them into one card (or at least fewer cards).

I have no problem with adding other qualifications such as the ones listed, and I do agree with the logic for having them.  Including those was never a thought of mine because I was only combining features of existing cards.  Please, keep the ideas coming.  It may also be beneficial if someone with better design abilities than me could take these ideas and make a few model cards incorporating some of the various ideas proposed here.  The repeating background hologram idea is a great one, but well out of my capability of graphically designing.  I understand the CPPT idea. Don't know that I agree with putting it on the card, but that's a different matter.  The ht/wt/etc info was simply a matter of not having enough space.

As for having to replace the card because of expired specialties, the specialty expiration date is on the card now.  If you chose not to buy a replacement card, the mission staff would still be able to take one look at your card with the expired rating and say "Hey, this is expired.  You'll have to find something else to do."  I do, however, agree with the problem presented when a new rating is earned.  Maybe I'm way off base here about trying to put the 101 card on the ID.  Maybe the wheel isn't broken and doesn't need to be reinvented.  If I'm wrong, there's apparently plenty that can take the place of the 101 card on the back of the card.

I know my design is far from perfection, but I figured I would get the ball rolling so that more people would start throwing their ideas out.

[Pylon]

My design was simply to resolve my beef with having to keep up with all the different cards if it is feasible to incorporate them into one card (or at least fewer cards).

I have no problem with adding other qualifications such as the ones listed, and I do agree with the logic for having them.  Including those was never a thought of mine because I was only combining features of existing cards.  Please, keep the ideas coming.  It may also be beneficial if someone with better design abilities than me could take these ideas and make a few model cards incorporating some of the various ideas proposed here.  The repeating background hologram idea is a great one, but well out of my capability of graphically designing.  I understand the CPPT idea. Don't know that I agree with putting it on the card, but that's a different matter.  The ht/wt/etc info was simply a matter of not having enough space.

As for having to replace the card because of expired specialties, the specialty expiration date is on the card now.  If you chose not to buy a replacement card, the mission staff would still be able to take one look at your card with the expired rating and say "Hey, this is expired.  You'll have to find something else to do."  I do, however, agree with the problem presented when a new rating is earned.  Maybe I'm way off base here about trying to put the 101 card on the ID.  Maybe the wheel isn't broken and doesn't need to be reinvented.  If I'm wrong, there's apparently plenty that can take the place of the 101 card on the back of the card.

I know my design is far from perfection, but I figured I would get the ball rolling so that more people would start throwing their ideas out.

Here's an idea!  Use all the old-style Armed Forces IDs that the military has kicking around; the ones they try to unload on new ROTC cadets and other people that they don't want to bother issue the new-style CAC.   

[Major_Chuck]

I agree 100%.  One card that does all would be the most ideal situation.  However this is CAP and we work at a speed slighter slower than a snail at times.

In the ideal world.   All of our information in placed on a chip like the AF or a barcode.  Someone with a barcode scanner linked to a secure site at National would only need to scan the barcode and obtain current up to the minute information.  No need to change anything.

My design was simply to resolve my beef with having to keep up with all the different cards if it is feasible to incorporate them into one card (or at least fewer cards).

I have no problem with adding other qualifications such as the ones listed, and I do agree with the logic for having them.  Including those was never a thought of mine because I was only combining features of existing cards.  Please, keep the ideas coming.  It may also be beneficial if someone with better design abilities than me could take these ideas and make a few model cards incorporating some of the various ideas proposed here.  The repeating background hologram idea is a great one, but well out of my capability of graphically designing.  I understand the CPPT idea. Don't know that I agree with putting it on the card, but that's a different matter.  The ht/wt/etc info was simply a matter of not having enough space.

As for having to replace the card because of expired specialties, the specialty expiration date is on the card now.  If you chose not to buy a replacement card, the mission staff would still be able to take one look at your card with the expired rating and say "Hey, this is expired.  You'll have to find something else to do."  I do, however, agree with the problem presented when a new rating is earned.  Maybe I'm way off base here about trying to put the 101 card on the ID.  Maybe the wheel isn't broken and doesn't need to be reinvented.  If I'm wrong, there's apparently plenty that can take the place of the 101 card on the back of the card.

I know my design is far from perfection, but I figured I would get the ball rolling so that more people would start throwing their ideas out.

[Major_Chuck]

I'm okay with this option as well, let's all look like we're retired.

My design was simply to resolve my beef with having to keep up with all the different cards if it is feasible to incorporate them into one card (or at least fewer cards).

I have no problem with adding other qualifications such as the ones listed, and I do agree with the logic for having them.  Including those was never a thought of mine because I was only combining features of existing cards.  Please, keep the ideas coming.  It may also be beneficial if someone with better design abilities than me could take these ideas and make a few model cards incorporating some of the various ideas proposed here.  The repeating background hologram idea is a great one, but well out of my capability of graphically designing.  I understand the CPPT idea. Don't know that I agree with putting it on the card, but that's a different matter.  The ht/wt/etc info was simply a matter of not having enough space.

As for having to replace the card because of expired specialties, the specialty expiration date is on the card now.  If you chose not to buy a replacement card, the mission staff would still be able to take one look at your card with the expired rating and say "Hey, this is expired.  You'll have to find something else to do."  I do, however, agree with the problem presented when a new rating is earned.  Maybe I'm way off base here about trying to put the 101 card on the ID.  Maybe the wheel isn't broken and doesn't need to be reinvented.  If I'm wrong, there's apparently plenty that can take the place of the 101 card on the back of the card.

I know my design is far from perfection, but I figured I would get the ball rolling so that more people would start throwing their ideas out.

Here's an idea!  Use all the old-style Armed Forces IDs that the military has kicking around; the ones they try to unload on new ROTC cadets and other people that they don't want to bother issue the new-style CAC.   

[JaL5597]

I saw the new photo id card.  Its very diffrent from the first proposal and what was being batted around on here.  It appearantly got approved and sent to the Air Force for their approval.

[Pylon]

I saw the new photo id card.  Its very diffrent from the first proposal and what was being batted around on here.  It appearantly got approved and sent to the Air Force for their approval.

From what I heard the NB disapproved that design.  Hmm... guess we have to ask an insider about that one.  The minutes won't be out until the next NEC meeting. 

[JaL5597]

I saw the new photo id card.  Its very diffrent from the first proposal and what was being batted around on here.  It appearantly got approved and sent to the Air Force for their approval.

From what I heard the NB disapproved that design.  Hmm... guess we have to ask an insider about that one.  The minutes won't be out until the next NEC meeting. 

My wing commander showed us the design.  He indicated it was approved and sent to the Air Force.

Staff call was a very long meeting, hey I could of been sleeping by that point.

[BlueLakes1]

I was at NBs, I missed the vote but I had dinner with a wing CC there who told me the design they voted on was rejected.

[SarDragon]

By taking off your height, weight, hair color, eye color you've turned it back  into a 101 card. 


What about members who are not active in Emergency Services but are focused on Cadet Programs or Aerospace Education? As a matter of Cadet Protection shouldn't the date of CPPT training be indicated somewhere.

No need. If a member hasn't completed CPPT, they don't get one of these cards.

[PhoenixRisen]

Here's one of my designs, which is similar to the contractor's CAC(i know they turned down the CAC-like one, but this is worth a try). I know some of you were aiming for somthing that said 'Civil Air Patrol' on it, but i designed this before I saw that post, so I put it on here anyways.

BTW, if anyone's wondering, those arent my ratings(I currently dont have any, seeing as how im only a C/A1C), i just copied some of those from the 101 card printout page.

[arajca]

Not a bad design. A couple of suggestions:
1. Drop the separate color for Flight Officers. They are Senior Members.
2. I don't see the need to put "ACTIVE" under the membership type. Generally, if someone is using this id, they will be active members
3. I've already addressed issues with putting the 101 card on the back.

Other general suggestions:
1. Include a printed "The member shown on the front of this card is an active member of Civil Air Patrol" and a line for the CAP/CC signature (mostly put on when the card is printed) on the back.
2. I think the physical information should be on the front, not back.
3. Include a "If found return to" statement on the the back. Find out what the USPS requires for an auto return to National. Add that if feasible.
4. Civil Air Patrol name need to be prominent. USAF Aux. (or similar text) needs to be a secondary name to avoid confusion. And almost certain shoot down by the AF.

4. Include a barcode with CAPID encoded.

[BillB]

I'm getting confused. I've seen 3-4 different designs for a new photo ID card replacing the current CAPF 19. What design did the NB turn down? What design did USAF approve?  And, why doesn't the USAF design a photo ID card for CAP, that the NB has no authority over?
I have two CAPF 19's, one from the 1980's and the other from just a couple of years ago. The CPPF 19 followed the design of DoD ID cards, but printed on blue paper stock. Do an ID that follows DoD/USAF designs is nothing new for CAP. But in this post 9/11 era, we do need a photo ID that DoD will recognize.

[JaL5597]

I'm getting confused. I've seen 3-4 different designs for a new photo ID card replacing the current CAPF 19. What design did the NB turn down? What design did USAF approve?  And, why doesn't the USAF design a photo ID card for CAP, that the NB has no authority over?
I have two CAPF 19's, one from the 1980's and the other from just a couple of years ago. The CPPF 19 followed the design of DoD ID cards, but printed on blue paper stock. Do an ID that follows DoD/USAF designs is nothing new for CAP. But in this post 9/11 era, we do need a photo ID that DoD will recognize.

The design I saw at staff call featured the picture on the left hand side.  The major background item was the CAP MAJCOM insignia.  I quickly glanced at the information on it.  I know it atleast has name and grade.  I assume the other blocks would be charter number and expiration date.

This card featured a male Captain.

I am not sure what other ones are out there.

[PhoenixRisen]

I'm getting confused. I've seen 3-4 different designs for a new photo ID card replacing the current CAPF 19. What design did the NB turn down? What design did USAF approve?  And, why doesn't the USAF design a photo ID card for CAP, that the NB has no authority over?
I have two CAPF 19's, one from the 1980's and the other from just a couple of years ago. The CPPF 19 followed the design of DoD ID cards, but printed on blue paper stock. Do an ID that follows DoD/USAF designs is nothing new for CAP. But in this post 9/11 era, we do need a photo ID that DoD will recognize.

The one they turned down was the one that looked similar to the DoD Common Access Card(CAC)



But that's the Active Duty/Guard/Reserve and Civilian CAC, mabye they could possibly accept one that looks like the contractors CAC(like the one i designed).

[PhoenixRisen]

Not a bad design. A couple of suggestions:
1. Drop the separate color for Flight Officers. They are Senior Members.
2. I don't see the need to put "ACTIVE" under the membership type. Generally, if someone is using this id, they will be active members
3. I've already addressed issues with putting the 101 card on the back.

Other general suggestions:
1. Include a printed "The member shown on the front of this card is an active member of Civil Air Patrol" and a line for the CAP/CC signature (mostly put on when the card is printed) on the back.
2. I think the physical information should be on the front, not back.
3. Include a "If found return to" statement on the the back. Find out what the USPS requires for an auto return to National. Add that if feasible.
4. Civil Air Patrol name need to be prominent. USAF Aux. (or similar text) needs to be a secondary name to avoid confusion. And almost certain shoot down by the AF.

4. Include a barcode with CAPID encoded.

Here's an updated design(kinda blurry though).