Quote from: RiverAux on October 29, 2011, 03:26:35 PM
Since NHQ has posted a news release on this issue on the web site: http://www.capvolunteernow.com/todays_features.cfm/cap_continuing_air_forceassigned_missions_despite_federal_budget_uncertainty?show=news&newsID=11957 this situation is something that they wish publicized, perhaps to generate some public support to push Congress to do something. 

Have any PAOs at the wing or squadron level been putting out press releases on this issue based on the NHQ release?

PAO's got an internal press release talk a bit more about the situation.   At the local squadron level, at this time, it really doesn't impact our programs, so I have no intention of doing a "negative" press release.

Realistically, I think CAP can expect to see some cuts in funding, just like everyone else.  What I find interesting though, that's at least locally the the Air/Army Guard & Air Force Reserve flying units seem to be doing the same level of flying proficiency training.  IF they are doing the same level of training then I would think that from an AF perspective they would 'fence' the monthly financial support to ensure that CAP continues to performing appropriate ES training and ANY direct mission support, including reimbursable missions.   

Another alternative, although painful, could have seen much of the national headquarters paid staff and wing administrator put on a "short work week".  Remember that most of the National Staff and wing administrators are just pushing mumbo jumbo paper work around.  Shouldn't the priority be to keep the volunteer membership current in ES response skills (via planned funded training exercises), since that's why the AF buys us planes, vehicles, & radio communications equipment          
RM

A three week stand down isn't going to affect anything.  If it goes on longer than that, you start looking at other options.  Remember, we can still train... just can't train with airplanes.

Quote from: AirDX on October 29, 2011, 08:18:42 PM
A three week stand down isn't going to affect anything.  If it goes on longer than that, you start looking at other options.  Remember, we can still train... just can't train with airplanes.

Hmm I guess we would than be the CGP, Civil Ground Patrol :angel:
RM

I would have liked to put in some self funded proficiency flying next week but even that has been stopped.

Its the exact same thing here in MOWG.

Quote from: Ed Bos on October 27, 2011, 11:53:29 PM

Quote from: husker on October 27, 2011, 11:50:18 PM
I believe a clarification/update on ground only B/C missions is coming soon.

That's weird, it's almost like GSAR is an after-thought... again...

Was this halt going to interfere with WESS?

If you are referring to the Wing Emergency Services School (WESS) held in Alabama, this is an email sent out 27 October. I do not know if anything has changed since then.

QuoteAs we monitor the funding conditions you've been reading about regarding our Congressional appropriation, the WESS staff has been working with CAPNHQ and the NOC regarding the November WESS event.  NHQ is allowing our training to continue as planned.

As this mission will be unfunded, we suggest that corporate vehicles collect a few dollars per rider to cover the cost of fuel to and from the event.  If this will effect any unit's participation, please let me know soon. If a budget is approved before the event, we will be able to change the mission back to a funded status.

We look forward to seeing everyone in November.

Michael Long, Lt Col CAP
Commandant NGSAR/NESA
www.nesa.cap.gov

Do we know for a fact if this is affecting membership cards or not for those people who renew during this time?

..and as for sending out the books, is it a funding issue with postage, or do they not have the books printed? I know it's ludicrious on top of it, but if they gave me the choice of paying $6 extra and having it sent vs. having to wait .. some of the cadets have waited as long as their first stripe and well into the second before they got the package from NHQ, in the past. Getting them interested and involved from the get go is important. If this mess creates the mother of all backlogs, then it's perpetual to get out of it. Just because the funding is turned back on, doesn't mean the books will show up four days later.

Just frustrating. Thats all.

Quote from: a2capt on November 01, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
..and as for sending out the books, is it a funding issue with postage, or do they not have the books printed? I know it's ludicrious on top of it, but if they gave me the choice of paying $6 extra and having it sent vs. having to wait .. some of the cadets have waited as long as their first stripe and well into the second before they got the package from NHQ, in the past. Getting them interested and involved from the get go is important. If this mess creates the mother of all backlogs, then it's perpetual to get out of it. Just because the funding is turned back on, doesn't mean the books will show up four days later.

Just frustrating. Thats all.

The backlog on books and uniforms and ID cards are going to be amazing...

Quote from: Spaceman3750 on October 27, 2011, 07:48:07 PM
In my unit we're most concerned about FCU and new member packets - if it only goes to November 18 it's not a big deal but if history repeats itself it could be way longer than that.

So can't we just put the requests " on hold " , and submit them when funds are freed up ?

My unit usually has a few cases  of
BDU's to hand out to new kids but Blues are another issue.

For us, OTOH, we've had a fair amount of blues available for a while, and BDUs have dwindled. We've gotten Blues from a local HS JROTC program. 

Does ANYONE know if this is affecting membership cards as well, or just books?

Quote from: NCRblues on November 02, 2011, 11:17:32 PM
Does ANYONE know if this is affecting membership cards as well, or just books?

You know... I never thought of that.
Will shoot an email up the line and report back.

Quote from: NCRblues on November 02, 2011, 11:17:32 PM
Does ANYONE know if this is affecting membership cards as well, or just books?

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=14063.msg254175#msg254175

Doesn't say anything about it in the letter that was copied to CAPTALK.

It does make you wonder what is happening to the $20 bucks that cadets are sending in.  What's it for, if not to pay for their binder and membership card?

Also, why are the books on hold?  They've already been purchased and are sitting on a storage shelf in the mail room.  Other than shipping (covered by the $20 check they send in), what additional expenses are being saved by holding these back?

Quote from: Ed Bos on November 02, 2011, 11:43:30 PM

Quote from: NCRblues on November 02, 2011, 11:17:32 PM
Does ANYONE know if this is affecting membership cards as well, or just books?

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=14063.msg254175#msg254175

Doesn't say anything about it in the letter that was copied to CAPTALK.

Well I know its not stated in the letter, but wing wide, we have almost 25 members now that are waiting on a membership card. Its been 4 weeks for some members (and not all of them new members, ones that have renewed and are waiting on an updated card)

I really have to question why the hold on books and ID cards (if they are being held).

^In the meantime, they can print the temporary ID card out of e-services.  I'm not being a smarty pants, but if they NEED to have some sort of current CAPID card, it may help.

..and that ID card, from eServices used to be a replica of the exact thing you'd get in the mail, now it looks like someone stole a script from Geocities. Talk about embarrasing, I'd rather say "the government budget mess is holding up my ID card, here's a screen dump of my record from eServices."

Quote from: jimmydeanno on November 03, 2011, 01:08:52 AM
^In the meantime, they can print the temporary ID card out of e-services.  I'm not being a smarty pants, but if they NEED to have some sort of current CAPID card, it may help.

Oh I know, I have already told them of that, but we all should know how well teenagers keep paper 

The thing im worried about is that the backlog is #1. Not being kept tract of or #2. will get so big names will be lost in the black hole of the CAP Admin world

Quote from: jimmydeanno on November 02, 2011, 11:52:49 PMIt does make you wonder what is happening to the $20 bucks that cadets are sending in.  What's it for, if not to pay for their binder and membership card?

Cadet dues are the same now, whether joining or renewing. Senior members often pay different amounts. That money funds CAP NHQ and Wing employees, typically. Maybe a few other things too.

http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/membership_dues.cfm

Vanguard sells initial cadet packets for $45.00, which is not covered by any cadet's first year dues.