ES Badges

[Pylon]

Left as is
MP - SAR/DR Mission Pilot
TMP - Transport Mission Pilot
MO - Mission Observer

I understand MO, but what specific badge does a TMP or MP wear above and beyond pilot wings?

None.  Why should they?

[SarDragon]

OK, I didn't put in enough info.

Ok, here is my proposed usage:
Left as is
MP - SAR/DR Mission Pilot
TMP - Transport Mission Pilot
MO - Mission Observer

Any thoughts?

What is "as is", and what is the distinction between MP, TMP, and CAP Pilot?

I don't think a distinction is essential, I'm just trying to figure out what he's talking about.

[SAR-EMT1]

So putting the letters on, (using your example of MRO from earlier (slightly modified)), would give us something like this...?

ACTUALLY, I think it would be better to insert MB  in lieu of GT
MB- Mission Base or MBS - Mission Base Staff

Putting MRO in would eventually require initials for every posit.
So either go with the Prop and Triangle of just MB. IMHO

[Sgt. Savage]

Left as is
MP - SAR/DR Mission Pilot
TMP - Transport Mission Pilot
MO - Mission Observer

I understand MO, but what specific badge does a TMP or MP wear above and beyond pilot wings?

None.  Why should they?

Actually, MO's and pilots can earn a senior and master rating based on hours acrued. All of these suggestions are just that, suggestions. GBD already has a badge, a master level badge. Seems like it should stay, though, the section chiefs may also warrant a master level badge.

[Sgt. Savage]

Just in from my "art studio". My version of a logistics badge.



It's crude but you get the point. I incorporated the cog design from the AF material command but replaced the star with the CD triangle.

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Just in from my "art studio". My version of a logistics badge.



It's crude but you get the point. I incorporated the cog design from the AF material command but replaced the star with the CD triangle.

I like it. Simple but effective.

[thefischNX01]

Off Topic I admit, but this is the first I've heard of the IC Badge.  Can someone show me a picture or the regulation authorizing it?

[Hawk200]

Off Topic I admit, but this is the first I've heard of the IC Badge.  Can someone show me a picture or the regulation authorizing it?

CAPHistorian posted a photo of the new proposed medals, along with the IC badge included in this post:

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=1034.msg12852#msg12852

It's pretty good looking.

[thefischNX01]

Thanks, Hawk. 

And now back to your regularly scheduled programing...

[afgeo4]

Just in from my "art studio". My version of a logistics badge.



It's crude but you get the point. I incorporated the cog design from the AF material command but replaced the star with the CD triangle.

I like it. Simple but effective.

Pretty sweet... can you do a Recruiting & Retention badge and base it loosely on the USAF one?

[afgeo4]

I think this IS an important topic. As we come up on the release of ABU's for CAP we're also looking at having no patches on field uniforms.

Currently, communications, safety and ES qualified personnel can be identified by their authorized patches (if they choose to wear them). When the ABU comes out, there will be no patches authorized and we should have basic duty badges out. I like the idea of using the existing GT badge to create new ones, but perhaps make it a little bit larger (along with the existing GT badge)... maybe to the size of the AF occupational badge.

My suggestions are for:
Urban Direction Finding - UDF
Base Staff - MBS
Radio Operator - MRO
Section Chiefs (Logistics, Finance, Personnel, etc) - OPS
Flightline Ops - FLT
Safety - SAFE
Air Branch Director - ABD
Medical - Already exists
Chaplain - Already exists
Incident Commander - Already exists
Ground Branch Director - Already exists
Ground Team Member - Already exists
Ground Team Leader - Already Exists

Not sure if I've forgotten anyone, but this is all I'm coming up with right now.

[Hawk200]

I think this IS an important topic. As we come up on the release of ABU's for CAP we're also looking at having no patches on field uniforms.

Currently, communications, safety and ES qualified personnel can be identified by their authorized patches (if they choose to wear them). When the ABU comes out, there will be no patches authorized and we should have basic duty badges out. I like the idea of using the existing GT badge to create new ones, but perhaps make it a little bit larger (along with the existing GT badge)... maybe to the size of the AF occupational badge.

..............

What makes you think that the restriction on patches will carry over to CAP? Allowing patches on CAP uniforms and not for Air Force personnel would be the kind of differentiation that the Air Force would want. Be real easy to tell either way from a distance.

CAP getting ABU's has already been discussed at the higher levels. Configuration has not been. We don't know how it's going to be arranged. And I doubt the Air Force would forbid them. I'm betting that even though they aren't a member, Vanguard does probably have some influence on what's going to be worn as well.

[afgeo4]

I'm thinking that the patches wont carry over because of AF culture. The reason why we wear patches, their styling, and their placement has been overall aligned with Air Force traditions. Since USAF is changing this tradition with the ABU, I'm guessing CAP will go with that too. Does that have to happen? No. I just believe it will. Vanguard will be just as happy selling more occupational (ES) badges as they were patches. In fact, I think they'd sell more of them than our "Goofy" and "Stan/Eval" or "PJOC" patches for example.

[Psicorp]

I think this IS an important topic. As we come up on the release of ABU's for CAP we're also looking at having no patches on field uniforms.

Currently, communications, safety and ES qualified personnel can be identified by their authorized patches (if they choose to wear them). When the ABU comes out, there will be no patches authorized and we should have basic duty badges out. I like the idea of using the existing GT badge to create new ones, but perhaps make it a little bit larger (along with the existing GT badge)... maybe to the size of the AF occupational badge.

My suggestions are for:
Urban Direction Finding - UDF
Base Staff - MBS
Radio Operator - MRO
Section Chiefs (Logistics, Finance, Personnel, etc) - OPS
Flightline Ops - FLT
Safety - SAFE
Air Branch Director - ABD
Medical - Already exists
Chaplain - Already exists
Incident Commander - Already exists
Ground Branch Director - Already exists
Ground Team Member - Already exists
Ground Team Leader - Already Exists

Not sure if I've forgotten anyone, but this is all I'm coming up with right now.

I disagree with having an MRO badge...it's a basic qualification that says you can operate a radio, it's needed for virtually all the mission qualifications.

How about grouping Mission Base Staff all together and have a basic, advanced, and senior ratings based upon the level of qualification (ICS position)?  Ex:  MRO, MSA, Flightline Marshaller / Supervisor, etc are basic; CUL, GBD, ABD, Chaplain, SE, Section Chiefs are advanced; and ICs (1,2, & 3) are senior?

[Hawk200]

I'm thinking that the patches wont carry over because of AF culture. The reason why we wear patches, their styling, and their placement has been overall aligned with Air Force traditions. Since USAF is changing this tradition with the ABU, I'm guessing CAP will go with that too. Does that have to happen? No. I just believe it will. Vanguard will be just as happy selling more occupational (ES) badges as they were patches. In fact, I think they'd sell more of them than our "Goofy" and "Stan/Eval" or "PJOC" patches for example.

As CAP, we wore patches on the BDU's in locations that the Air Force didn't. Our tradition was based on theirs, but with some differences. It's in the Air Force's interest to have our uniforms look distinctively different. The removal of the right arm patches, and the wing patch were a Pineda thing, not the Air Force.

As far as Vanguard goes, five specialty type badges would cost far less than five larger patches. They would stand to make less on them. It's all money, and they won't like it if they have to sell lower cost items.

Additionally, there are patches that really should be identifiable from a distance. Specialty badge style wouldn't be so much, you have to be talking "in-person". There's a place for them.

[RogueLeader]

I disagree with having an MRO badge...it's a basic qualification that says you can operate a radio, it's needed for virtually all the mission qualifications.

Not quite, a CAPF 76 is the basic qual for operating a radio. The B-cut means that you can talk, the A-cut means you can have your own callsign. 

MRO means that you can find location, set up, and run comm operations.  They are also trained to pass traffic, troubleshoot problems such as dropped communications, use the proper frequencies/repeaters etc.  Which is a far cry from B-CUT

[Sgt. Savage]

So,

I've created more badges... AL, genralMB badge, and a couple of others..

How do we propose these badges to national?

[alamrcn]

I'm thinking that the patches wont carry over because of AF culture. The reason why we wear patches, their styling, and their placement has been overall aligned with Air Force traditions.

ERR-HUM, that would be Army Air Corps traditions. Had we watched the USAF more closely the last 50 years, we would have dumped off the shoulder patches long ago.

But I hear what you are saying. Wanna propose some badges to National? Convince your wing CAC to give it a go - that's how we have the ribbons we have today and not the Monopoly (TM) piece ones from 30 years ago.

I was going to suggest a "PT Campaign" ribbon, but I didn't think it would be appropriate in this particular discussion.

-Ace

[RiverAux]

Seems to me that very few CAP members are actually wearing all the specialty track badges that are authorized now, so don't see much need to add even more badges that most people probably wouldn't bother to wear. 

[arajca]

Seems to me that very few CAP members are actually wearing all the specialty track badges that are authorized now, so don't see much need to add even more badges that most people probably wouldn't bother to wear. 

I think the same thing, which was I put up one badge to cover a plethora of ES ratings, instead a separate badge for each rating.