I know that members must have Gen ES and be qualified in an ES specialty to qualify to wear the ES patch. If a member goes non current in all but Gen ES, is he/she still qualified to wear the ES patch? I'd go to the Knowledge Base for this but I can't see the ask a question tab.
Reference?
Thanks.
Nope. Reference CAPP 35-6 Section 3
3. Requirements for Award of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.
CAPR 35-6 (E) 17 AUGUST 2002
3. Requirements for Award of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.
I found it. I don't like the idea of telling a member to take off their ES patch.
You could instead tell them to go to 1 mission a year and keep their quals...
Get Teddy Bear on it, or good ole' KT she's pretty AR
Quote from: Snake Doctor on September 01, 2007, 08:44:00 PMI found it. I don't like the idea of telling a member to take off their ES patch.
Hand them a seam ripper and point at it then. >:D This is part of the problem with people and uniforms.
but if you are "current in all but GES" are you not current in anything? Don't you need to have taken the current CAPT 116 in order to be able to use any of your ES qualifications?
Quote from: JC004 on September 01, 2007, 09:02:12 PM
but if you are "current in all but GES" are you not current in anything? Don't you need to have taken the current CAPT 116 in order to be able to use any of your ES qualifications?
Read the original post again... its tricky but the gist is Only current in GES
The member may have been qualified in a specialty or specialties a long time ago and ended up non current in everything including Gen ES. Than retook the CAPT 116 part 1 and 2 with CAPT 177 Ground Team and is in training status for UDFT.
There's been some pretty good efforts made in ES in my group and my ES officer and commanders are insuring those that get signed off are qualified. I also want to make sure qualifications badges that are are worn are earned.
I've gotten on the warpath about uniforms and am going to stay on it. I may get a seam ripper.
That's the right attitude - just because it takes some effort to make it right, doesn't mean it shouldn't be corrected.
If he's one sig from qual, or something reasonable, maybe throw some camo tape over it or just tell him not to wear the blouse until he's complete, and help him get it down.
Otherwise, off it goes. Same if he showed up wearing wings or a ribbon he didn't earn.
I think that citation can be read to say that you need to be current and qualified in order to be awarded the patch. It does not say that you need to be current and qualified in order to wear it.
Another query. Are GT badge and CAP Wing earners allowed to wear said badges and wings if for what ever reason they loose their qualifications?
Reference?
Thanks.
Once the ES qual is gone the no longer get to wear the ES side of that attachment.
But, member earning their wings as a pilot whether that be basic senior whatever, get to keep their wings...forever.
So, Joe pilot get's flight status pulled for failing a medical, he still gets to keep his pilots license but cannot fly.
I'm looking now but I think this is covered in 60-1
3. Requirements for Award of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.
I wish it was more specific. Example.
3. Requirements for Award and continued wear of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.
Quote from: Snake Doctor on September 01, 2007, 10:14:56 PM
3. Requirements for Award of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.
I wish it was more specific. Example.
3. Requirements for Award and continued wear of the CAP Emergency Services Patch. Current and qualified in accordance with CAPR 60-3, CAP Emergency Services Training and Operational Missions as a general emergency services member with one additional specialty qualification.
But...can you be more specific? Perhaps cite an example... ;D ((*snort*))
Silly patch. >:(
Quote from: JC004 on September 01, 2007, 11:13:27 PM
Silly patch. >:(
Thank you. I didn't want to be the one that said it. :'(
Quote from: Stonewall on September 01, 2007, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: JC004 on September 01, 2007, 11:13:27 PM
Silly patch. >:(
Thank you. I didn't want to be the one that said it. :'(
I'll also be adding it to my platform for running for National Commander, so you won't miss out.
Even if it is authorized, I'd cut it off... Its a fugly patch. ;D
Pilot and GT badges are permanent awards.
yup.
I'm sorry, I keep coming back to the fact that the requirements are for the AWARD of the patch not for the WEAR of the patch. Two different things entirely.
Quote from: RiverAux on September 02, 2007, 02:21:08 AM
I'm sorry, I keep coming back to the fact that the requirements are for the AWARD of the patch not for the WEAR of the patch. Two different things entirely.
Yes, and I believe your interperatation is correct, though mine came off with the Wing patch in a de-bling-a-thon.
I have been qualified as MO/MS but currently I'm not. I have my wings on my BBDU's. I feel that wearing my Wings is wrong. To me, wearing my wings tells everyone who I meet, that I am a MO and in actuality I'm expired. I think it is a good question to ask regarding the award and wear of the specific patch/wings. If someone can produce the regulations on the wear of the award, I would feel comfortable wearing the wings. You know, maybe this is the same standard as your airborne wings or cib? :)
Quote from: brasda91 on September 02, 2007, 05:46:36 PMIf someone can produce the regulations on the wear of the award, I would feel comfortable wearing the wings. You know, maybe this is the same standard as your airborne wings or cib? :)
They are - its in there, and in the KB.
Once awarded you can wear them for life.