CAPM 3901 page 34 Fig 2-19 note 8 says we can wear a Red and yellow command scarf. Can someone tell me what this looks like (emblem?) and where I can get it?
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on July 13, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
CAPM 3901 page 34 Fig 2-19 note 8 says we can wear a Red and yellow command scarf. Can someone tell me what this looks like (emblem?) and where I can get it?
Vangaurd. If I remember correctly it's yellow with little red tri-props. I'd say save your $30 for something else.
Quote from: jeders on July 13, 2007, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on July 13, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
CAPM 3901 page 34 Fig 2-19 note 8 says we can wear a Red and yellow command scarf. Can someone tell me what this looks like (emblem?) and where I can get it?
Vangaurd. If I remember correctly it's yellow with little red tri-props. I'd say save your $30 for something else.
Ditto.
Don't buy it: people will point at you and laugh.
But I need it to go with my yellow and red jockstrap.
Quote from: O-Rex on July 13, 2007, 08:03:46 PM
Don't buy it: people will point at you and laugh.
Carrie, No! They're all gonna laugh at you! ...THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU! ;D
Who'd want to wear a yellow scarf with red chicken feet all over it? Seriously.
Quote from: tedda on July 13, 2007, 08:53:17 PM
Who'd want to wear a yellow scarf with red chicken feet all over it? Seriously.
I wouldn't be so sure...I checked Vanguard and, I don't know about you, but I think (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/ultrarumbador428/nophoto.jpg)
looks pretty sexy to me.
Quote from: CAP428 on July 13, 2007, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: tedda on July 13, 2007, 08:53:17 PM
Who'd want to wear a yellow scarf with red chicken feet all over it? Seriously.
I wouldn't be so sure...I checked Vanguard and, I don't know about you, but I think (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/ultrarumbador428/nophoto.jpg)
looks pretty sexy to me.
Go figure: Vanguard stocks 'distinctive yellow scarves' but they don't sell BDU caps.
**AND, they actually have a picture of it, rather than the standard "picture not available" sign.....
Thirty bucks?
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 14, 2007, 03:08:30 AM
Thirty bucks?
Whassit made outta? Silk from the finest silkworms of Lower Slobovia?
Quote from: CAP428 on July 13, 2007, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: tedda on July 13, 2007, 08:53:17 PM
Who'd want to wear a yellow scarf with red chicken feet all over it? Seriously.
I wouldn't be so sure...I checked Vanguard and, I don't know about you, but I think (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/ultrarumbador428/nophoto.jpg)
looks pretty sexy to me.
Where do you find them on vanguard? I can't find them. I want to make a fashion statement: the green flight suit, the pluto patch and the command scarf.
--Nomex
Just do a search and type in Barf....Scarf...I meant scarf
Many of the AF Squadron Scarfs are rather unattractive. Aircrew take a perverse pride in this.
The CAP red and yellow is undoubtedly because CAP planes in WWII were always painted these colors.
Quote from: O-Rex on July 13, 2007, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: jeders on July 13, 2007, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on July 13, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
CAPM 3901 page 34 Fig 2-19 note 8 says we can wear a Red and yellow command scarf. Can someone tell me what this looks like (emblem?) and where I can get it?
Vangaurd. If I remember correctly it's yellow with little red tri-props. I'd say save your $30 for something else.
Ditto.
Don't buy it: people will point at you and laugh.
Yes I have one, It looks really good with the Blue Flight suit, it is used to keep you neck from getting chapped and rubbed raw. I know most of you never have a mission that is more than 30 minutes, but here in CAWNG it takes four hours to get to Northern CA, than fly for four days 5 hours per day, wish I had an "Official yellow silk undie, BUT!!! it( Scarf I mean) is too short I cant reach the wind screen to rub off the oil,
I think it should have been White with the CAP emblem on it. As a tool, I have used it to choke out the PIC when he starts to fly irratic, could't find anything in the reg that says I can't . . it is convenient!! And It is an 'Official Scarf"
Quote from: wingnut on July 18, 2007, 05:57:22 AM
Yes I have one, It looks really good with the Blue Flight suit, it is used to keep you neck from getting chapped and rubbed raw. I know most of you never have a mission that is more than 30 minutes, but here in CAWNG it takes four hours to get to Northern CA, than fly for four days 5 hours per day, wish I had an "Official yellow silk undie, BUT!!! it( Scarf I mean) is too short I cant reach the wind screen to rub off the oil,
I think it should have been White with the CAP emblem on it. As a tool, I have used it to choke out the PIC when he starts to fly irratic, could't find anything in the reg that says I can't . . it is convenient!! And It is an 'Official Scarf"
In other words, its like Linus's blanket from Peanuts. HAHAHA
Does anyone actually have a picture of this thing? It has been authorized for a while now and CAPMART, then Vanguard have never released its image for us to see. I am starting to think they don't REALLY exist.
If I remember correctly, the yellow background is the same color as the CAC cord. Then there are small 3/4 in red tri-blade props all over it in a pattern.
Quote from: JC004 on July 18, 2007, 04:36:33 PM
Does anyone actually have a picture of this thing? It has been authorized for a while now and CAPMART, then Vanguard have never released its image for us to see. I am starting to think they don't REALLY exist.
I've never seen anyone wear it. Anyone ever seen it?
Never. Never heard of 'til here.
Ok, so here is a link to a power point presentation that has a drawing of it. The drawing is very accurate in terms of color, size, and pattern of the scarf. It's on slide 25.
http://www.coloradowingcap.org/group3/CC%20Call%20April%2005.ppt
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 18, 2007, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: JC004 on July 18, 2007, 04:36:33 PM
Does anyone actually have a picture of this thing? It has been authorized for a while now and CAPMART, then Vanguard have never released its image for us to see. I am starting to think they don't REALLY exist.
I've never seen anyone wear it. Anyone ever seen it?
Yeah, a B-1 guy in my old squadron got it and wore it with his CAP flight suit. Made him look like a dork.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on July 18, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
Ok, so here is a link to a power point presentation that has a drawing of it. The drawing is very accurate in terms of color, size, and pattern of the scarf. It's on slide 25.
http://www.coloradowingcap.org/group3/CC%20Call%20April%2005.ppt
Come on...finding a drawing of it is a kin to finding lewd engravings of Martha Washington and Thomas Jefferson. :D
Sorry, for the mental image. However, I have yet to see even a photo of CAP Officer Avaitors wearing this thing.
It would appear that it is only authorized with the Air Force Green flight Suit and not anything blue..
Wow! that IS an ugly scarf!
And get a load of Captain Bolt Upright on page 22 !
I'm here at NESA - Mission Air Crew School, Camp Atterbury, IN.
The scarf came up in conversation on day 2 here at the school, where we finally came up with a good use for it.
Command Scarf + (empty) Gatorade bottle = (field expedient) message drop container.
YMMV.
- M6
OK, I am posting this craziness for all to see.
(http://jcolgan004.googlepages.com/scarf.jpg)
Please note that this is a drawing and does not prove the existence of this scarf.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Quote from: JC004 on July 18, 2007, 06:22:49 PM
OK, I am posting this craziness for all to see.
(http://jcolgan004.googlepages.com/scarf.jpg)
Please note that this is a drawing and does not prove the existence of this scarf.
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/ColonelJack1701/Ron.jpg)
'Nuff said. (Apologies if I've offended.)
Jack
Quote from: MidwaySix on July 18, 2007, 06:22:48 PM
I'm here at NESA - Mission Air Crew School, Camp Atterbury, IN.
The scarf came up in conversation on day 2 here at the school, where we finally came up with a good use for it.
Command Scarf + (empty) Gatorade bottle = (field expedient) message drop container.
YMMV.
- M6
That's a pretty good idea. High visibility, allowing the ground crew to see it on the way down.
Still, I still wouldn't buy one.
Quote from: LtCol White on July 18, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
You're a tougher man than I. I hurled completely... >:D
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 18, 2007, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: LtCol White on July 18, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
You're a tougher man than I. I hurled completely... >:D
Ha,
Just turned slightly green. Would never buy. Except for maybe a "Gag" gift. ;) 8)
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 18, 2007, 05:29:11 PMI've never seen anyone wear it. Anyone ever seen it?
Yes, I've seen someone wearing one of these and it left me pretty unimpressed.
Quote from: baronet68 on July 18, 2007, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 18, 2007, 05:29:11 PMI've never seen anyone wear it. Anyone ever seen it?
Yes, I've seen someone wearing one of these and it left me pretty unimpressed.
What was the occasion? Was it ceremonial or operational?
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 18, 2007, 08:57:14 PM
Quote from: baronet68 on July 18, 2007, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 18, 2007, 05:29:11 PMI've never seen anyone wear it. Anyone ever seen it?
Yes, I've seen someone wearing one of these and it left me pretty unimpressed.
What was the occasion? Was it ceremonial or operational?
It was one of the 'staffers' at WingHQ who was wearing it during a run-of-the-mill weekly meeting. He probably thought it made him look "kewl". ::)
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 18, 2007, 08:04:02 PM
Quote from: MidwaySix on July 18, 2007, 06:22:48 PM
I'm here at NESA - Mission Air Crew School, Camp Atterbury, IN.
The scarf came up in conversation on day 2 here at the school, where we finally came up with a good use for it.
Command Scarf + (empty) Gatorade bottle = (field expedient) message drop container.
YMMV.
- M6
That's a pretty good idea. High visibility, allowing the ground crew to see it on the way down.
Still, I still wouldn't buy one.
Not for $30 to drop from a plane! Maybe if I'm assigned to the Howard Hughes Memorial Squadron, and the PIC is Bill gates!
Is there any CAP tradition or historical foundation (aside from the Tri-Props) to justify having such a thing?
Snoopy
:o)
What I don't understand is why the CAP command scarf is worn only with the AF flight suit, and not the CAP flight suit. I would think the Air Force would want it worn only on the blue CAP flight suit, since command scarves are a unique Air Force tradition for pilots and (supposedly) they don't want CAP to mirror those traditions on AF uniforms.
I say if the CAP command scarf can be worn on the AF flight suit, then so should the A-2 leather flying jacket and cloth grade insignia. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense.
Quote from: 12211985 on July 18, 2007, 10:19:15 PM
I say if the CAP command scarf can be worn on the AF flight suit, then so should the A-2 leather flying jacket and cloth grade insignia. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense.
The brown A-2 has been specifically forbidden by the Air Force. It's primarily issued to their aircrews. They want to keep that distinctive item for themselves.
I had a few ideas for adopting it, but never packaged it. It's probably pointless to even try. And that comes from the the Air Force top brass. Good luck trying to get them to explain.
Cloth grade insignia is being worked on. Probably happen within the next year or two.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 03:31:51 AMThe brown A-2 has been specifically forbidden by the Air Force. It's primarily issued to their aircrews. They want to keep that distinctive item for themselves.
So it's okay for CAP to wear a command scarf (also an Air Force aircrew distinctive item), but not the brown A-2? Sorry, doesn't make sense to me.
I am glad that the black A-2 has been authorized for the blue CAP flight suit, but to not authorize the CAP command scarf for this uniform is also non-sensical. The Air Force has been making some pretty weird decisions lately when it comes to CAP uniforms.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 03:31:51 AMI had a few ideas for adopting it, but never packaged it. It's probably pointless to even try. And that comes from the the Air Force top brass. Good luck trying to get them to explain.
That's okay, I'll just join the Coast Guard Auxiliary. The Coast Guard doesn't seem to have a problem with its auxiliarists wearing blue epaulets or silver on the Mess Dress. Oh yeah, the Coast Guard also treats them like they're actually part of the team. None of this red-headed stepchild nonsense.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 03:31:51 AMCloth grade insignia is being worked on. Probably happen within the next year or two.
I hope so. The plastic grade insignia is really tacky.
Quote from: 12211985 on July 19, 2007, 03:47:17 AMSo it's okay for CAP to wear a command scarf (also an Air Force aircrew distinctive item), but not the brown A-2? Sorry, doesn't make sense to me.
Not even nearly the same thing. One is a $30 item, the other $200. And I noticed very few in the Air Force that actually wore command scarves. It seems to have been a safety issue. I wouldn't wear one for that reason.
QuoteI am glad that the black A-2 has been authorized for the blue CAP flight suit, but to not authorize the CAP command scarf for this uniform is also non-sensical. The Air Force has been making some pretty weird decisions lately when it comes to CAP uniforms.
It may be, but someone simply hasn't gotten around to telling anyone yet. Why would you want one? It may be inconsistant, but very few people even care about it. I would make it clear to anyone in my unit wearing how dorky it is by pointing and laughing until I had tears rolling down my face. It was a pointless bling item that was never needed and really serves no puprose. No one even knows who proposed it in the first place.
Since CAP can do what they want as far as
corporate uniforms, why do you blame the Air Force? They wouldn't need to be consulted, and probably would have blown it off if they had been. Their input isn't even needed. No corporate uniform has even had input from the Air Force. Do you think the TPU would even exist if they did?
QuoteThat's okay, I'll just join the Coast Guard Auxiliary. The Coast Guard doesn't seem to have a problem with its auxiliarists wearing blue epaulets or silver on the Mess Dress. Oh yeah, the Coast Guard also treats them like they're actually part of the team. None of this red-headed stepchild nonsense.
CG Aux doesn't even have a mess dress. There are numerous formal dress uniforms, and the uniforms are primarily Navy. There are more variations on formal wear for them.
If you're going to go into the CG Aux, keep in mind that you only get rank with certain positions. When your term expires, you don't wear rank insignia anymore. You'd get a past officer device, but that's it. You sure you're OK with that? You might never get appointed to any of those positions at all.
QuoteI hope so. The plastic grade insignia is really tacky.
Nothing really tacky about it, the Air Force wore it for many years before deciding to wear cloth. Cloth was cheaper, and easier to affix. They only phased out plastic rank during the time I was in, it was worn since the '60's, I believe. I'm sure there's an old timer or two that could give you more accurate details.
My source doesn't have a start date for the plastic encased rank insignia. IIRC, it was around WIWAC.
YMMV.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 04:07:44 AMCG Aux doesn't even have a mess dress.
Then what do you call this, sir:
(http://www.auxguidanceskills.info/gif/Spivak-dress-uniform-hires.jpg)
Or this...
(http://www.uscg.mil/comdt/gallery/images/ADM%2001.jpg)
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 04:07:44 AMIf you're going to go into the CG Aux, keep in mind that you only get rank with certain positions. When your term expires, you don't wear rank insignia anymore. You'd get a past officer device, but that's it. You sure you're OK with that?
I'm perfectly fine with that. In my opinion, CAP should be like that as well. There would be fewer people with the "holier than thou" attitude that is so common with officers in the organization.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 04:07:44 AMYou might never get appointed to any of those positions at all.
You might be surprised.
Tell you what, Smitty, why don't you start your own Smitty's Air Patrol, SAP for short, and then you can pick whatever uniform combinations you want, and wear them however and whenever you like. Otherwise, you're just (http://forums.cadetstuff.org/images/smiles/icon_deadhorse.gif)!
Quote from: 12211985 on July 19, 2007, 04:28:22 AMThen what do you call this, sir:
The Coast Guard calls that a Dinner Dress Blue jacket. Doesn't matter what I call it.
Quote from: 12211985 on July 19, 2007, 04:28:22 AMOr this...
According to the CG manual, that's a Dinner Dress white. Which the Air Force has no equivalent to, therefore it's irrelevant.
Quote from: 12211985 on July 19, 2007, 04:28:22 AMQuote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 04:07:44 AMIf you're going to go into the CG Aux, keep in mind that you only get rank with certain positions. When your term expires, you don't wear rank insignia anymore. You'd get a past officer device, but that's it. You sure you're OK with that?
I'm perfectly fine with that. In my opinion, CAP should be like that as well. There would be fewer people with the "holier than thou" attitude that is so common with officers in the organization.
I haven't seen much of a "holier than thou" attitude. I see numerous idiots, which isn't unusual in any organization.
The Coast Guard Auxiliary does indeed have a couple of varieties of mess dress, though i dont believe they are allowed to wear the full dress whites with the stand up collar. You do realize however dont you 12211985 that the officer in the white mess dress in the left in the photo you supplied is an active duty officer (hence the gold buttons). I cant tell if the other fellow is or not. I think I see a glimpse of a silver Auxie button but I cant be sure. Also there is a difference between epaulets and hard shoulder boards which are seen in the white mess dress. Notice the black mess dress wears neither epaulets nor hard boards. Careful what you wish for...the CGAUX has more politics than were ever dreamed of in CAP. You dont use the latrine (or the head in their case) without a MOU from the Gold Side. And because they have positions or appointments and not ranks, being told to "pound sand" when you give an order someone doesnt want to follow is very much more likely. About the only thing being a flotilla commander means is that you own the boat. If you dont do what the Gold Side wants you to or how they want you to, you dont play...they will even tell you what shoes and boots will be worn on a facility for certain operations and if you dont comply, you dont operate. Maybe you should join them and be a PWCO (personal water craft operator...aka skidoo pilot). If you think there are hoops to jump through in CAP, you aint seen nothing until you have everyone from Petty Officers to Admirals breathing down your neck. I think the tighter knit connection between Auxies and AD in the CG is something we should strive for if the AF would kinda stop fighting it. But restrictions and regulations are infininately more military (hell, they are totally military) in the AUX as opposed to CAP. Ask to visit a CG Station some day where Auxies are working and you will see what I mean. Not only will you be getting ordered around by AuxOps in the CGAux, you may just as well join the Coast Guard Active Duty becuase since they have no aux on/aux off policies, you do it their way, or you are free to leave the boat, the easy way or the hard way. And if you think the qualifications for any kind of grade or more accurately respect, which is what you seem to crave, are rough in CAP, you aint seen nothing yet. And Lord help you when you have to deal with the Navy. I saw two petty officers, one Navy, one CG get in a fist fight in the train station in Chicago over who really ruled the high seas. And you can have your orange dry suit, if you want to shell out a couple grand for it. Why dont you just rent the skip both CAP and the Aux, rent the Guardian, watch it a couple hundred times and when you make your wife fetch you a beer, make her "pop tall" clap three times and face you and shout "Aye Aye Senior Chief." I have a passion for the CG, but if you think its easier to rule the roost on their side of the fence, you have no idea what you are in for. Their regs except regarding rank are virtually word for word from the Gold Side and most directives come down from the hardest sailor ever to sail the salt, Admiral Thad Allen.
;D
Well written :clap:
By the way, my passion for the USCG comes from the fact that I have relatives in my family line who served when it was the Revenue Service, the Lighthouse Service and the Life Saving Service. I know there are some here who do CAP and CGAUX and believe me, if I could afford it and the nearest flotilla wasnt an hour and a half away, I would join both and if my state had a State Guard, I would do that as well because I like the fact that they actually are trusted with armed law enforcement. I met an old cronie from the Texas State Guard/Patriot Patrol who actually carried as his self provided weapon a BAR. Now thats when you know you have arrived. When CAP lets me carry my 4" .40 Springfield XD, hell, Ill scrape and paint planes if they want me to. My father recently purchased the XD in .357 and it is the sweetest shooter I have ever fired. I now return you to your scarf snarf. (New Use for Command Scarf...CAP Field Expedient Toilet Tissue. One of our cadets actually had one on the other night tied around his neck like a bandana with his BDUs and his buddies came up behind him and cut it off his neck. If its a choice between the chicken scarf and ultramarine tapes..ill take the tapes everytime....I assume the chicken scarves are meant for pilots....can I get an AMEN for berets for ground pounders...nice black ones like the State Guard with the command patch on the front. Only we will wear ours properly creased and "blocked" unlike alot of the state guard who wear them like bad french mimes. I would even wear an ultramarine one..talk about not being confused with momma blue. Hey, that might be a good idea....up the chain we go...oh wait...the blue beret contingent wouldnt like that. What about grey ones? Brown? Come on, throw us some little bone. Or am I the only one that would prefer military berets over the PCs?
Speaking as we are of scarves....When I was doing SAR as a first responder in the southest desert, I acquired and wore (forgive me for not knowing the name) one of those middle eastern scarves like you see alot of our spec ops guys wearing in the middle east. Dangit..what are they called? Does anyone know what i mean...if so could you post a photo of a special operator wearing one? Anyway, i had it an wore it (we wore surplus od green jungles) all the time. Sometimes I wet it and draped it over my head for evaporative cooling, sometimes as a scarf when the desert cooled off at night and very often, wrapped around my head and face with just a tiny part of my eyes showing during sand storms. If anyone knows where I could get one, i would love to know. I saw one somewhere and didnt bookmark the site. I suppose this would fall under the reg against combining military and civilian gear? Coud i get away with it with BBDUs? Im not wearing it cause it looks good, which it does, but because it has infinitely practical field uses including a sling a sun cover for the back of your neck,etc. Anyway...
I dont know if these are issued to the special operators (i did see them in a surplus site) or if they just "creatively acquire" them. Even if I couldnt wear it with CAP gear, I would love to have one. I loaned mine out and it never came back.
Quote from: LtCol White on July 14, 2007, 02:31:39 PM
Just do a search and type in Barf....Scarf...I meant scarf
So far we have:
Chicken scarf
Chicken foot scarf
Barf Scarf
Lets keep em coming...this is how we develop CAP distinctive culture >:D >:D
I can hear it now: "I don't know where you got that scarf, but wherever it was, do they sell men's clothes too?" >:D
"I don't know what the guy got for designing that scarf, but he should've got 20 years!"
I think they wear the scarf at the Foghorn Leghorn Composite Squadron.
;D
One of the people that I respect more than anyone in CAP is a Spaatz recipient, 26 yoa Wilson Recipient, Graduate of the USAFA, Director of the RCLS that I attended AND he wore the Scarf with pride.
I think I will do so as well.
As far as the kewlness factor WHO CARES, we don't wear these uni's for coolness we wear them for functionality. And I don't know about you but I hate the way my Flight suit rubs my neck raw. And the farther I get into my scanner training the more I want something to combat it (enter stage right) the Scarf is a perfect solution.
As a matter of fact, I think I'll start a trend and anyone who gets their observer or pilot rating gets this scarf as a job well done.
BTW....I was at the conference in Las Vegas in the session when Susie Parker introduced the scarf. She showed it and it went over rather well with the folks there. It had been worn by some folks at National during a wear test ( wear test a uniform item first...what a novel idea!) The idea was that the AF has scarves for the pilots (I've seen them worn numerous times on the base where I often go) and they were authorized for wear with the green zoom bag by the AF. I agree the color could have been better, but the idea was to herald back to our roots. The yellow was chosen for the main color because of our WWII yellow planes and , well, the 3 blade red prop is part of our heritage also.
Quote from: SARMedTech on July 19, 2007, 07:41:12 AM
Speaking as we are of scarves....When I was doing SAR as a first responder in the southest desert, I acquired and wore (forgive me for not knowing the name) one of those middle eastern scarves like you see alot of our spec ops guys wearing in the middle east. Dangit..what are they called? Does anyone know what i mean...if so could you post a photo of a special operator wearing one?
A shemagh? Like this:
http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=28068&M5COPY%2Ectx=25385&M5%2Ectx=25385&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Headwear%20%2D%20Everyday%20Caps%2C%20Rain%20Hats%2C%20Bandanas&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=shemagh&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam
Sorry for long URL, never got around to making them.
Anyway, a few of the non-operators have been known to wear them. Very comfortable from what I've heard.
Quote from: SARMedTech on July 19, 2007, 07:32:50 AM
...can I get an AMEN for berets for ground pounders...nice black ones like the State Guard with the command patch on the front. Only we will wear ours properly creased and "blocked" unlike alot of the state guard who wear them like bad french mimes. I would even wear an ultramarine one..talk about not being confused with momma blue. Hey, that might be a good idea....up the chain we go...oh wait...the blue beret contingent wouldnt like that. What about grey ones? Brown? Come on, throw us some little bone. Or am I the only one that would prefer military berets over the PCs?
That's a bone I would throw back. I've worn a beret for about five years total for the Army Guard, and I hate them. With a utility uniform, they serve no proctical purpose. They don't block any sun, they're hot, and they have to be re-shaped every so often.
Berets have different meaning for the Air Force than the Army. For the Army, it's mostly an organizational thing, except to wear the rifle green, you have to be Special Forces qualified.
SDF's are primarily run along the same lines as the Army, ranks and all. That's why they wear the beanie (yes, my favorite nickname for the beret). The Air Force doesn't generally wear berets, they are linked to a specific job, not to an organization.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 19, 2007, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: SARMedTech on July 19, 2007, 07:32:50 AM
...can I get an AMEN for berets for ground pounders...nice black ones like the State Guard with the command patch on the front. Only we will wear ours properly creased and "blocked" unlike alot of the state guard who wear them like bad french mimes. I would even wear an ultramarine one..talk about not being confused with momma blue. Hey, that might be a good idea....up the chain we go...oh wait...the blue beret contingent wouldnt like that. What about grey ones? Brown? Come on, throw us some little bone. Or am I the only one that would prefer military berets over the PCs?
That's a bone I would throw back. I've worn a beret for about five years total for the Army Guard, and I hate them. With a utility uniform, they serve no proctical purpose. They don't block any sun, they're hot, and they have to be re-shaped every so often.
Berets have different meaning for the Air Force than the Army. For the Army, it's mostly an organizational thing, except to wear the rifle green, you have to be Special Forces qualified.
SDF's are primarily run along the same lines as the Army, ranks and all. That's why they wear the beanie (yes, my favorite nickname for the beret). The Air Force doesn't generally wear berets, they are linked to a specific job, not to an organization.
The Marines call the Army beret the "Monica Lewinski Hat."
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 19, 2007, 07:52:29 PM
The Marines call the Army beret the "Monica Lewinski Hat."
Relatively speaking, these two historical events occur almost at the same time.
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 19, 2007, 07:52:29 PMThe Marines call the Army beret the "Monica Lewinski Hat."
That really doesn't surprise me.
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 19, 2007, 07:54:10 PMRelatively speaking, these two historical events occur almost at the same time.
Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but this fact disturbs me...
I have a scarf. It sits on my "What Were They Thinking" shelf next to my miniature replica of the CAP NASCAR.
It is neither warm nor comfortable. And being nylon, it would melt to your throat in a fire (so much for Nomex)
The one time I could see value in it was at some sort of ceremony or display where you had guys in flight suits standing around looking cool. Like mebbe an air show or something.
We'd get a lot more wear out of an ascot in the same pattern to be used by CAP drill units. Cadets just loooooove that kinda stuff.
Would you mind providing all of us a picture of it being worn. I still don't believe it actually exists.
Quote from: Dragoon on July 26, 2007, 07:50:25 PM
It is neither warm nor comfortable. And being nylon, it would melt to your throat in a fire (so much for Nomex)
That is precisely why Air Force air crews are required to remove their scarves before flight.
I always thought scarves with flight suits were a haze. They bunch, or slide, or creep. I was always told they were for unit identification (plus tradition), but I think unit-colored cloth name tags serve the same purpose without being annoying.
Quote from: 2d Lt M. Sherrod on July 26, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Would you mind providing all of us a picture of it being worn. I still don't believe it actually exists.
I can't find the pic I thought I had, but trust me, they exist.
Quote from: SarDragon on July 27, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
Quote from: 2d Lt M. Sherrod on July 26, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Would you mind providing all of us a picture of it being worn. I still don't believe it actually exists.
I can't find the pic I thought I had, but trust me, they exist.
Its likely that this unpopular device goes largely unphotographed.
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 27, 2007, 01:39:39 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 27, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
Quote from: 2d Lt M. Sherrod on July 26, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Would you mind providing all of us a picture of it being worn. I still don't believe it actually exists.
I can't find the pic I thought I had, but trust me, they exist.
Its likely that this unpopular device goes largely unphotographed.
Yeah, consider the blackmail opportunities it would probably give the owner of the camera. >:D
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 27, 2007, 04:46:44 AM
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 27, 2007, 01:39:39 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 27, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
Quote from: 2d Lt M. Sherrod on July 26, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Would you mind providing all of us a picture of it being worn. I still don't believe it actually exists.
I can't find the pic I thought I had, but trust me, they exist.
Its likely that this unpopular device goes largely unphotographed.
Yeah, consider the blackmail opportunities it would probably give the owner of the camera. >:D
Like the one I have of you? >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 27, 2007, 04:46:44 AM
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 27, 2007, 01:39:39 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 27, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
Quote from: 2d Lt M. Sherrod on July 26, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Would you mind providing all of us a picture of it being worn. I still don't believe it actually exists.
I can't find the pic I thought I had, but trust me, they exist.
Its likely that this unpopular device goes largely unphotographed.
Yeah, consider the blackmail opportunities it would probably give the owner of the camera. >:D
Nah, think more of the emotional and psychological trauma caused by seeing the scarf.
For the non-believers :)
http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7414
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Quote from: dhon27 on July 27, 2007, 07:55:51 PM
For the non-believers :)
http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7414
Great Mother O'Mercy!!!
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{Peter Lorre}
IT ... IS ... ALIVE!!!!!!!!!
{/Peter Lorre}
Jack
I don't know what's worse, Wearing the scarf or having people know you paid $35 for it.
::pukes a little::
Something about wearing a yellow scarf with a flight suit just doesn't feel right...
-SeattleSarge
I have one, looks decent with the blue utility/nomex flight suits.
Really kinda comfortable, the couple tiems I wore it. Mostly forget its in the closet. Usually only wear it to tweek the CAP-USAF guys or other pilots....
Too bad 39-1 only authorized it with green nomex.
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 27, 2007, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: dhon27 on July 27, 2007, 07:55:51 PM
For the non-believers :)
http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7414
Great Mother O'Mercy!!!
(http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/images/large/CAP1299_LRG.jpg)
Wearing this could....should get you beat up on the playground >:D
Ah.......used one of these in the back of a cessna to blow my nose. That is all they are good for. I have never seen (NEVER SEEN) anyone wear one of these.
Quote from: Fifinella on July 26, 2007, 11:28:30 PM
I always thought scarves with flight suits were a haze. They bunch, or slide, or creep. I was always told they were for unit identification (plus tradition), but I think unit-colored cloth name tags serve the same purpose without being annoying.
When you think about it, that may be why the cloth nametags are used now. You need a nametag anyway, why not make it unit distinctive? Don't have to spend any money on a scarf that you don't actually need. The newer style ones didn't serve the same purpose as the old ones did, they just weren't up to the task.
And the cloth nametag made you distinctive all the time. The scarf only worked during non-flying periods when you happened to wear it.
Here is a picture of a different CAP scarf. It's obviously not an officially approved one. I got it from when I attended the Falcon Flight Encampment in NJ a couple years ago. They were given out as memento's of the week. I don't wear it but I carry it with me in my flight bag. I'm one of those people who likes stuff like this so if I ever get a ride in a biplane you just might see me wearing it with my cloth flying helmet, out of uniform of course.
Cool! I wonder how much it cost to have those done up?
That is a much better looking scarf
Unfortunately I pulled off the tag a while ago that had the company on it so I don't have a way to get more info about the manufacture of it.
Would be nice if each wing had their own that represented their state.
Quote from: Bayhawk21 on August 30, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
Unfortunately I pulled off the tag a while ago that had the company on it so I don't have a way to get more info about the manufacture of it.
You might try RamaWorld (www.ramaworld.com) - they're the go-to guys for scarves.
CAP scarf: $30
CAP sword: $300
Feeling like 'Pirates of the Caribbean" at your next Squadron meeting: Priceless
Sounds like the makings of a Monty Python skit
Hock Shop has some scarves....
http://www.thehock.com/shop/?keywords=scarves&match_criteria=all&shop=1&cart=390398
not even close.
Quote from: tedda on September 01, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
not even close.
Aren't those things ascots? Forget "Pirates," try to look like Thurston Howell III of Gilligan's Island at your next meeting.
Quote from: Major Carrales on September 01, 2007, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: tedda on September 01, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
not even close.
Aren't those things ascots? Forget "Pirates," try to look like Thurston Howell III of Gilligan's Island at your next meeting.
Many "ascots" are labeled as "bib scarves". Is it a scarf? Technically. Is it a flying scarf? No. And they aren't really all that useful, pretty much just for show.
Quote from: Major Carrales on September 01, 2007, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: tedda on September 01, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
not even close.
Aren't those things ascots? Forget "Pirates," try to look like Thurston Howell III of Gilligan's Island at your next meeting.
. . .or Colonel Kilgore in 'Apocalypse Now:" He wore a yellow Cavalry scarf.
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SARrrrrr. Where's me CAP sword?
^^ I don't know how you do that, but you really do great work.
Is that a modified boonie? where is the hat insignia?
Quote from: tedda on September 02, 2007, 12:08:39 AM
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SARrrrrr. Where's me CAP sword?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: tedda on September 02, 2007, 12:08:39 AM
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SARrrrrr. Where's me CAP sword?
Awesome! :D :D Goodness, that would be the Photoshop Ranger all right. How do you do it??
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: tedda on September 02, 2007, 12:08:39 AM
SARrrrrr. Where's me CAP sword?
To quote Bill Murray from 'Stripes:'
Lee Harvey, yoooouuu are a madman!!
Quote from: addo1 on September 04, 2007, 03:45:59 AM
Quote from: tedda on September 02, 2007, 12:08:39 AM
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SARrrrrr. Where's me CAP sword?
Awesome! :D :D Goodness, that would be the Photoshop Ranger all right. How do you do it??
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now if only tedda would use his powers for good.
Using them for evil is so much more fun. >:D