BDU: To wear or not to wear that is the question!

[Major Carrales]

When I first joined CAP I was encouraged to get the BDU uniform first, since it was a field uniform I could use while flying or on a UDF/Ground Team search.  I was luck to find a full set of blues that fit from a thrift shop and an uncle had given me a set of service caps.

Since then the only uniform I have added is a flight suit, over they years I upgraded the sizes of blues shirts.  Still have the same pair of BDUs only bought an extra top from a surplus store and fixed it up in the "CAP Minimalist" style (original set is in the "CAP Maximalist style.") 

[Major Carrales]

OK, a Civil Air Patrol sword. What does it have to do with the cockpit?

Hawk, swords are a "no no" in CAP, what you see there is a CAP Letter Opener.

[Hawk200]

OK, a Civil Air Patrol sword. What does it have to do with the cockpit?

Hawk, swords are a "no no" in CAP, what you see there is a CAP Letter Opener.

I know that, I'm just a bit puzzled about one being talked about in a cockpit.

[Major Carrales]

OK, a Civil Air Patrol sword. What does it have to do with the cockpit?

Hawk, swords are a "no no" in CAP, what you see there is a CAP Letter Opener.

I know that, I'm just a bit puzzled about one being talked about in a cockpit.

Mr Spock would simply dismiss it as someone's failed attempt at humor.

[CadetProgramGuy]

Dude !!!! when you said mess dress I fell out of my seat laughing because I could visualize some SM doing something like that

I had the same mental image......Then again we could argue the "you fight in what you are wearing that the time"  Kinda like the pink "I heart NY" boxers i've seen somewhere.......

[RiverAux]

We were joking about mess dress, which includes a sword in some services, so I referenced the CAP sword.  Evidently the discussion we had about it went too far back for people to have gotten the joke.

[lordmonar]

The key, for those scoring at home, is that military-style regs tell you what you can do/wear/etc.  Rarely do they tell you what you can't.  If is not in the text, you can't do it.

Got to call you on this.

Regulations tell you what you must do, what should do and what you can't do.  Everything else is up to command decision.

[SarDragon]

The key, for those scoring at home, is that military-style regs tell you what you can do/wear/etc.  Rarely do they tell you what you can't.  If is not in the text, you can't do it.

Got to call you on this.

Regulations tell you what you must do, what should do and what you can't do.  Everything else is up to command decision.

Unless the reg specifically says something like this, whis a little more restrictive than your general rules.

COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PUBLICATION IS MANDATORY. Any variation from this publication is not authorized. Items not listed in this publication are not authorized for wear.

[Eclipse]

The key, for those scoring at home, is that military-style regs tell you what you can do/wear/etc.  Rarely do they tell you what you can't.  If is not in the text, you can't do it.

Got to call you on this.

Regulations tell you what you must do, what should do and what you can't do.  Everything else is up to command decision.

Negative ghostrider - that would allow for a lot of latitude in anything not thought of or in existence when the reg was written.

The tell you what you will do. (i.e. will shall).

Sometimes mention options or loosen the cord a bit. (i.e. my should can).

But rarely do they exclude options unless the target audience is so dense that they repeatedly do something the authority doesn't want to happen.

[dogboy]

Be sure to read the Wing supplement to National uniform regulations. Some Wings require Nomex and leather boots for flight personnel.

[RiverAux]

But rarely do they exclude options unless the target audience is so dense that they repeatedly do something the authority doesn't want to happen.

Such as the long list of prohibited actions in CAP aircraft in 60-1 or situations in which CAP uniforms are prohibited from being worn in 39-1?

[Eclipse]

But rarely do they exclude options unless the target audience is so dense that they repeatedly do something the authority doesn't want to happen.

Such as the long list of prohibited actions in CAP aircraft in 60-1 or situations in which CAP uniforms are prohibited from being worn in 39-1?

sadly both

[Strick]

Some wings require NOMEX but SER allows shorts? Can't figure this one out myself.  I was part of a wing in SER and yes it did get hot flying over the gulf coast but in the interest of safety I wear Nomex while flying(except commercially, TSA always stops me when I try to board wearing the flight bag and knee board with survival gear  )  I have seen aircrews wearing BDU'S.   I saw one AC wearing Blue's SS, Polo, and flight suit.   BDU'S .  I would always have at least on set on hand.

[RiverAux]

NB hooted down the proposal to allow shorts while flying if I remember correctly. 

[Eclipse]

Some wings require NOMEX but SER allows shorts? Can't figure this one out myself.  I was part of a wing in SER and yes it did get hot flying over the gulf coast but in the interest of safety I wear Nomex while flying(except commercially, TSA always stops me when I try to board wearing the flight bag and knee board with survival gear  )  I have seen aircrews wearing BDU'S.   I saw one AC wearing Blue's SS, Polo, and flight suit.   BDU'S .  I would always have at least on set on hand.

NESA MAS and Johnson Flight Academy have uniform waivers for shorts, I believe the NFA does, too.

Frankly, the Nomex requirement if more silly than the shorts.  I'd prefer we just wear our uniform, period, but our members are far more likely to suffer from heat related illness than be saved by a fire retardant garment.

[ol'fido]

Well, that sword would be a bear in the cockpit.   

I remeber seeing pictures of RM mess dress uniforms that incorporated a cape. That might be more appropriate for flying. It works for the Man of Steel.

[Eclipse]

Well, that sword would be a bear in the cockpit.   

I remeber seeing pictures of RM mess dress uniforms that incorporated a cape. That might be more appropriate for flying. It works for the Man of Steel.

To the salad bar, and beyond!



Gentlemen, of course wear a cloak, and ladies wear a cape.

[SJFedor]

NB hooted down the proposal to allow shorts while flying if I remember correctly.

Yeah. But SER got a National waiver to allow the crews to fly in the polo and khaki shorts during the "hot months". Ugh, i'm glad i'm in GLR now 

[BuckeyeDEJ]

I remeber seeing pictures of RM mess dress uniforms that incorporated a cape. That might be more appropriate for flying. It works for the Man of Steel.
To the salad bar, and beyond!



Gentlemen, of course wear a cloak, and ladies wear a cape.

I had no idea Dracula was a Marine.

[Major Carrales]

NB hooted down the proposal to allow shorts while flying if I remember correctly.

Yeah. But SER got a National waiver to allow the crews to fly in the polo and khaki shorts during the "hot months". Ugh, i'm glad i'm in GLR now 

Crash in the desert in shorts and your likely be facing issues of cold in the night.  Really, is wearing pants all that "ridiculous?"