Honor Guard uniform

[c/LTCOLorbust]

Does any one know if in CAP we are able to use clickers on the back of our Combat boots or low quarter shoes for honor guard?

[MIKE]

Did you read CAPP 52-8 and CAPM 39-1?

[jimmydeanno]

Leather low quarters are the shoe of choice, but high gloss or poromeric may
be worn. The shoes will be clean and well shined. Use edge dressing on the
soles and heels of the shoes. Tuck the bows on the shoestrings into the shoe.
Horseshoe taps will be worn on the heel of the shoe. Small (approximately 2"
x 1") rectangular metal plates (cheaters) will be worn centered on the inside
heel edge. You may place rubber washers between the tap and the heel so
that the tap protrudes about 1/2 inch as needed. Make sure the "cheaters" are
rounded on all four sides so not to destroy the trousers. All members will
wear black socks. White shoelaces will not be used.

Items such as blue ascots with BDU, boots with the service dress uniform, swords, "Smokie Bear" hats, etc., are not permitted.

So the way I interpret that is, go for it on the low-quarter shoes and since boots are not an authorized item in the Honor Guard uniform, no "cheaters" on the boots since you won't be wearing them...EVER.

[ddelaney103]

Leather low quarters are the shoe of choice, but high gloss or poromeric may
be worn. The shoes will be clean and well shined. Use edge dressing on the
soles and heels of the shoes. Tuck the bows on the shoestrings into the shoe.
Horseshoe taps will be worn on the heel of the shoe. Small (approximately 2"
x 1") rectangular metal plates (cheaters) will be worn centered on the inside
heel edge. You may place rubber washers between the tap and the heel so
that the tap protrudes about 1/2 inch as needed. Make sure the "cheaters" are
rounded on all four sides so not to destroy the trousers. All members will
wear black socks. White shoelaces will not be used.

Items such as blue ascots with BDU, boots with the service dress uniform, swords, "Smokie Bear" hats, etc., are not permitted.

So the way I interpret that is, go for it on the low-quarter shoes and since boots are not an authorized item in the Honor Guard uniform, no "cheaters" on the boots since you won't be wearing them...EVER.

Another bit of HG wackiness, since boots are authorized with service or service dress uniforms.

[Hawk200]

Another bit of HG wackiness, since boots are authorized with service or service dress uniforms.

The HG uniform has specific accoutrements designated. Boots are not one of them.

Besides, the way the HG uniform is set up, they're not really appropriate.

[ddelaney103]

Another bit of HG wackiness, since boots are authorized with service or service dress uniforms.

The HG uniform has specific accoutrements designated. Boots are not one of them.

Besides, the way the HG uniform is set up, they're not really appropriate.

But one of the reasons they're authorized with service dress is adverse weather, which the HG runs into all the time.

Remember, the boots are supposed to be unbloused with the service dress, though older manuals let you blouse them for things like snow.

[SDF_Specialist]

But one of the reasons they're authorized with service dress is adverse weather, which the HG runs into all the time.

Remember, the boots are supposed to be unbloused with the service dress, though older manuals let you blouse them for things like snow.

I thought the Army was the only HG that bloused the boots. I've never seen an AF honor guard do that, but it doesn't mean it's never happened

[Stonewall]

But one of the reasons they're authorized with service dress is adverse weather, which the HG runs into all the time.

Remember, the boots are supposed to be unbloused with the service dress, though older manuals let you blouse them for things like snow.

I thought the Army was the only HG that bloused the boots. I've never seen an AF honor guard do that, but it doesn't mean it's never happened

The Army Old Guard does not blouse boots with blues, Class As, or anything.  The only folks in the Army that blouse boots wtih Class As are those assigned to jump units (Airborne, Ranger, SF).  Even when wearing dress blues, those folks do not wear boots, so they wouldn't blouse them.

In the Old Guard, in very rare situations, we'd wear plain black combat boots, highly spit shined, with our blues.  This, while wearing our long wool blues winter coats and wool pile caps.  And yes, it had to be snowing and a few inches of snow on the ground.

[ddelaney103]

But one of the reasons they're authorized with service dress is adverse weather, which the HG runs into all the time.

Remember, the boots are supposed to be unbloused with the service dress, though older manuals let you blouse them for things like snow.

I thought the Army was the only HG that bloused the boots. I've never seen an AF honor guard do that, but it doesn't mean it's never happened

Back in the days before the "Honor Guards with a capital HG" it was pretty common.

Flag details would often blouse their Service Dress/Class A's, ladder lace their boots with white paracord and put on chrome helmets or blue berets.  Nowadays, there's a lot more restriction on the do-dads you can add to the uniform.

[SDF_Specialist]

But one of the reasons they're authorized with service dress is adverse weather, which the HG runs into all the time.

Remember, the boots are supposed to be unbloused with the service dress, though older manuals let you blouse them for things like snow.

I thought the Army was the only HG that bloused the boots. I've never seen an AF honor guard do that, but it doesn't mean it's never happened

Back in the days before the "Honor Guards with a capital HG" it was pretty common.

Flag details would often blouse their Service Dress/Class A's, ladder lace their boots with white paracord and put on chrome helmets or blue berets.  Nowadays, there's a lot more restriction on the do-dads you can add to the uniform.

This is what I'm talking about

[Stonewall]

This is what I'm talking about

Those are SF guys.  I see a little of the SF patch on their Class As.  The guy with the maroon beret is an SF support guy.  They wear maroon berets because they aren't "tabbed".

Like this...

[SDF_Specialist]

This is what I'm talking about

Those are SF guys.  I see a little of the SF patch on their Class As.  The guy with the maroon beret is an SF support guy.  They wear maroon berets because they aren't "tabbed".

Like this...

So why does SF wear the boots like that, and no one else does? It clearly isn't snowing there, and there doesn't look to be any other weather threat.

[Stonewall]

So why does SF wear the boots like that, and no one else does? It clearly isn't snowing there, and there doesn't look to be any other weather threat.

I'm sure there is a historical/traditional answer for that, but paratroopers, then rangers, then special forces, have always worn jump boots with their Class As.  They aren't wearing them as "honor guard" for the funeral, they're wearing them because that's how they wear them regardless.

[SDF_Specialist]

So why does SF wear the boots like that, and no one else does? It clearly isn't snowing there, and there doesn't look to be any other weather threat.

I'm sure there is a historical/traditional answer for that, but paratroopers, then rangers, then special forces, have always worn jump boots with their Class As.  They aren't wearing them as "honor guard" for the funeral, they're wearing them because that's how they wear them regardless.

Well that makes more sense. It's just weird for me because I've only ever seen the bloused boots at funerals.

[Eagle400]

I've noticed that the Air Force Honor Guards wear a distinctive service dress coat.  It has a seam down the middle of the back and sewn-in creases on the arms, as seen above.  Is this dress coat authorized for CAP Honor Guards? 

[SJFedor]

Doubtful. Good luck on even getting your hands on one. They look like custom jobs.

[MIKE]

Hell no.

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from 39-1

3-3. Use of Air Force Honor Guard Uniforms or Equipment. The use of Air Force Honor Guard
uniforms or equipment is prohibited. This includes base honor guards, The Air Force Honor Guard
(based at Bolling AFB, DC), and USAF Honor Guard uniforms purchased or procured by any means.