What happened to crushed caps and cigarettes...

[jb512]

[fyrfitrmedic]

 Perhaps they went the same way as the mustache?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Olds

[addo1]

   lol    

[JohnKachenmeister]

More victims of "Political Correctness" and the "Feminization" of the military.

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

--  Cigarettes and beer are bad for you.  So "Big Mother Blue" wants an "Alcohol and Tobacco Free Air Force" supposedly by 2000 as stated back in the 1980's, but that didn't happen.

--  The .45 caliber pistol was too much for the ladies to handle, so the military adopted the Euro-sissy 9mm.

Pretty soon we'll have the Army-Navy Soccer game, and we won't keep score so nobody has to have their fragile egos damaged by losing!

[SDF_Specialist]

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

SOME girls can't.

[♠SARKID♠]

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

SOME girls can't.

...*cringe*...*shudder*...*blech*

[SDF_Specialist]

...*cringe*...*shudder*...*blech*

Would you like that to go? 

[♠SARKID♠]

...*cringe*...*shudder*...*blech*

Would you like that to go? 

I'd like a crack across the head so I dont remember that image...

[jb512]

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

SOME girls can't.

You beat me to that one.

John, you have seen these women, haven't you?

[Eclipse]

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

SOME girls can't.

You beat me to that one.

John, you have seen these women, haven't you?

Hey, according to some cadets on CS, there are girls who can do 75 pushups in one minute, so I imagine the facial hair comes with that.   

[mikeylikey]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

[jb512]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

I've smelled some pretty recognizable and distinctive odors... even produced some.

And crushed caps do not look ridiculous.

[Fifinella]

More victims of "Political Correctness" and the "Feminization" of the military.

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

--  Cigarettes and beer are bad for you.  So "Big Mother Blue" wants an "Alcohol and Tobacco Free Air Force" supposedly by 2000 as stated back in the 1980's, but that didn't happen.

--  The .45 caliber pistol was too much for the ladies to handle, so the military adopted the Euro-sissy 9mm.

Pretty soon we'll have the Army-Navy Soccer game, and we won't keep score so nobody has to have their fragile egos damaged by losing!

Hey, you're getting pretty personal there, Kach.

I don't have a mustache.  I don't care if you have one - you'll just look like an enlisted guy, and I won't kiss you.

And I can handle a .45 just fine, thank you.

Quit blaming all the military's changes on women.  The services are adapting to changes in the societal culture at large.  I probably think much more like you than you give me credit for.

[BillB]

Kach has nothing against women. He thinks every man should own one

[SDF_Specialist]

I've smelled some pretty recognizable and distinctive odors... even produced some.

I'd rather deal with the female mustache than your recognizable and distinctive odors thank you very much.

[JayT]

--  Girls can't grow moustaches, therefore nobody should have them.

SOME girls can't.

You beat me to that one.

John, you have seen these women, haven't you?

Hey, according to some cadets on CS, there are girls who can do 75 pushups in one minute, so I imagine the facial hair comes with that.   

You got a problem with girls who could put you in the hospital?

[Hawk200]

And crushed caps do not look ridiculous.

Depends on which cap you're talking about. The old khaki service cap worn in the "50 mission crush" style didn't look so bad. The blue one might look OK, but I've never tried it.

Now, if you're doing that duck butt thing with your flight cap.....

[fyrfitrmedic]

 Most smokers are probably not aware that one of the flavoring agents in cigarette tobacco is a compound called 3-methylindole or skatole; it's the stuff that puts the stench in excrement...

[Pylon]

Now, if you're doing that duck butt thing with your flight cap.....

What's wrong with the duck butt thing?  My old squadron commander does it.  A retired USAF Lt Col fighter pilot with 91 combat missions, the Air Medal & MSM, and a litany of other decorations and accomplishments to his name.   I think he has the right to wear his flight cap how he well pleases.

I think it happens to look great.

[JohnKachenmeister]

Kach has nothing against women. He thinks every man should own one

One?

[Hawk200]

What's wrong with the duck butt thing?  My old squadron commander does it.  A retired USAF Lt Col fighter pilot with 91 combat missions, the Air Medal & MSM, and a litany of other decorations and accomplishments to his name.   I think he has the right to wear his flight cap how he well pleases.

It looks like a ducks butt to me, or maybe like the tail end of a goose. Which is why I think it looks idotic. Just the way I see it.

[SAR-EMT1]

I want to know why Service Caps disappeared from routine wear.
99% of AF personnel wear the overseas cap, even in CONUS!
Bring back mandatory wear of the Service Cap for CONUS stationed personnel.
Save facial hair and smoking and [excessive] drinking for the Brits.

[flyerthom]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

Believe me when I tell you this, Lower GI Bleed is FAR more ah distinct.

[SarDragon]

Yup! Sorry for a possible TMI.

[SAR-EMT1]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

Believe me when I tell you this, Lower GI Bleed is FAR more ah distinct.

I can of course back you up on this but how many folks know what it smells like?

[jb512]

What's wrong with the duck butt thing?  My old squadron commander does it.  A retired USAF Lt Col fighter pilot with 91 combat missions, the Air Medal & MSM, and a litany of other decorations and accomplishments to his name.   I think he has the right to wear his flight cap how he well pleases.

It looks like a ducks butt to me, or maybe like the tail end of a goose. Which is why I think it looks idotic. Just the way I see it.

I think it looks just fine, especially if you've actually earned it.

[fyrfitrmedic]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

Believe me when I tell you this, Lower GI Bleed is FAR more ah distinct.

I can of course back you up on this but how many folks know what it smells like?

Good question, but once ya smell it...

[Hawk200]

What's wrong with the duck butt thing?  My old squadron commander does it.  A retired USAF Lt Col fighter pilot with 91 combat missions, the Air Medal & MSM, and a litany of other decorations and accomplishments to his name.   I think he has the right to wear his flight cap how he well pleases.

It looks like a ducks butt to me, or maybe like the tail end of a goose. Which is why I think it looks idotic. Just the way I see it.

I think it looks just fine, especially if you've actually earned it.

Earned it? How exactly do you earn it? Especially when the reason that it ended up like that in the past doesn't happen anymore?

[BlueLakes1]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

Believe me when I tell you this, Lower GI Bleed is FAR more ah distinct.

Amen brother...picked up the worst one of my career about 2 weeks ago. Took 3 washes to get the stench out of my uniform.

[jb512]

What's wrong with the duck butt thing?  My old squadron commander does it.  A retired USAF Lt Col fighter pilot with 91 combat missions, the Air Medal & MSM, and a litany of other decorations and accomplishments to his name.   I think he has the right to wear his flight cap how he well pleases.

It looks like a ducks butt to me, or maybe like the tail end of a goose. Which is why I think it looks idotic. Just the way I see it.

I think it looks just fine, especially if you've actually earned it.

Earned it? How exactly do you earn it? Especially when the reason that it ended up like that in the past doesn't happen anymore?

I'm quite certain you could ask anyone who has and they'd be happy to tell you.  There have been two pretty good examples in this thread alone.

[isuhawkeye]

The air force is often criticized for not having any history or tradition.  to me its ashame that the crusher caps fell out of style

[JohnKachenmeister]

The crushed caps were an affectation to separate the Army Air Forces from the other two major commands then, the Army Ground Forces and the Army Service Forces.  The claim was that the aviator's headsets would not fit over the service cap unless the grommet was removed.

But...

Once the Army Air Corps became the US Air Force, two things happened very quickly:

1.  All "Pursuit" planes were re-designated "Fighters,"  and

2.  Crushed service caps were abolished.

[Hawk200]

What's wrong with the duck butt thing?  My old squadron commander does it.  A retired USAF Lt Col fighter pilot with 91 combat missions, the Air Medal & MSM, and a litany of other decorations and accomplishments to his name.   I think he has the right to wear his flight cap how he well pleases.

It looks like a ducks butt to me, or maybe like the tail end of a goose. Which is why I think it looks idotic. Just the way I see it.

I think it looks just fine, especially if you've actually earned it.

Earned it? How exactly do you earn it? Especially when the reason that it ended up like that in the past doesn't happen anymore?

I'm quite certain you could ask anyone who has and they'd be happy to tell you.  There have been two pretty good examples in this thread alone.

You can think it looks cool, and I'll continue to think that it looks idiotic untill someone provides me with sufficient reason to think otherwise. Guess we'll agree to disagree.

[flyerthom]

Cigarettes give you Cancer, and crushed caps look ridiculous!  Give it up folks, it's not 1941.  They should prohibit all forms of tobacco in the military to begin with.  It would cut down on TRICARE costs to the tax payers.  HELL....there are times when you can't smoke in combat, because it will give your position away.  Tobacco is the most recognizable and distinctive odor around, bet you didn't know that. 

Believe me when I tell you this, Lower GI Bleed is FAR more ah distinct.

I can of course back you up on this but how many folks know what it smells like?

Anyone within a logable cross country's distance ...

[Cecil DP]

Maybe you haven't noticed that with the exception of the Color Guards and Formal uniforms everyone wears the " flight cap". The services would rather spend $5-6 for the flight cap, than issue the service cover which is about $30.

BTW  I guess JP-4 fumes don't ignite in Thailand.  Why else would General Olds be smoking on the flight line in this picture?

[JohnKachenmeister]

Olds and his cigarette:

For one thing, he is more than 50 feet from the aircraft.  For another thing, JP-4 is hard to light.  MoGas is more likely to explode.  Lastly, he's an O-6, and has the authority to suspend the Laws of Physics.

[Cecil DP]

Olds and his cigarette:

For one thing, he is more than 50 feet from the aircraft.  For another thing, JP-4 is hard to light.  MoGas is more likely to explode.  Lastly, he's an O-6, and has the authority to suspend the Laws of Physics.

I guess when your daddy was a General and you're an O-6 you think you can suspend the laws of physics. But then so did that Colonel at Fairchild who decided he could do aerobatics in a B-52.  He was proven wrong.

[mikeylikey]

^  Or fly nukes across the US and not get fired!

[JohnKachenmeister]

The nukes didn't worry me.  Until recently we used to have patrols up with nukes all the time, 24/7.  WIWAC, the B-52's used to land and take off from Wright Patterson at all kinds of odd hours, and all ready to fly to the Evil Empire and blast a few cities or bases off the face of the Earth.  One-third of the total SAC force was always in the air and always armed. 

[JAFO78]

Kach has nothing against women. He thinks every man should own one

One?

Incoming..........................

[kpetersen]

Kach has nothing against women. He thinks every man should own one

One?

Incoming..........................

Only because a request for response was made. 

There's a reason for increased concentration of sex workers around overseas US military bases.  I guess trying to stop that would be feminizing the military also?  Then Kach would have a harder time buying his women.

(sorry, it's my poli-sci senior research project)

[JohnKachenmeister]

Well, they ARE trying to stop it, and yes, it does represent the feminization of the military.

But, it isn't only the military.  There is a general trend toward feminization of American society.  This is a trend that mirrors Western Europe.

Try finding toy guns in stores now.

[Grumpy]

The nukes didn't worry me.  Until recently we used to have patrols up with nukes all the time, 24/7.  WIWAC, the B-52's used to land and take off from Wright Patterson at all kinds of odd hours, and all ready to fly to the Evil Empire and blast a few cities or bases off the face of the Earth.  One-third of the total SAC force was always in the air and always armed. 

Ah yes, the man sounds like a SAC trained killer.  Peace is our profession. Professional Results In Daily Effort (PRIDE)  Not sure if that last one was a SAC quote or just our Bomb Wing

[AlphaSigOU]

The nukes didn't worry me.  Until recently we used to have patrols up with nukes all the time, 24/7.  WIWAC, the B-52's used to land and take off from Wright Patterson at all kinds of odd hours, and all ready to fly to the Evil Empire and blast a few cities or bases off the face of the Earth.  One-third of the total SAC force was always in the air and always armed. 

Ah yes, the man sounds like a SAC trained killer.  Peace is our profession. Professional Results In Daily Effort (PRIDE)  Not sure if that last one was a SAC quote or just our Bomb Wing

You forgot a few gems:

"Peace Through Superior Firepower!"
"Victory through Devastation!"

The all-encompassing canonical list of SAC-isms online is at http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/sacisms.htm .

[Grumpy]

Hey, that's cool.  I never saw that before.  I do remember the one about a blow for peace although I remember it as freedom.

Off my pointed little head those were the only ones I remember.  But what can you ecpect from an old guy AP?

[Fifinella]

The all-encompassing canonical list of SAC-isms online is at http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/sacisms.htm .

Serious flashbacks for this Tanker Toad.  Thanks. (I think...)