Flight Officer Insignia

[JayT]

Unless I'm mistaken, SM's are now authorized to wear cloth rank insignia on the flight suits/jackets/utility uniform.

I'm going to be the second of two FOs in my Group in a few weeks, and I'm curious if I should sewn my stripes to the shoulders of my utility suit/flight suit/jackets.

Also, what do I wear on the black Army/Navy windbreaker for the undress TPU?

[MIKE]

Unless I'm mistaken, SM's are now authorized to wear cloth rank insignia on the flight suits/jackets/utility uniform.

I'm going to be the second of two FOs in my Group in a few weeks, and I'm curious if I should sewn my stripes to the shoulders of my utility suit/flight suit/jackets.

Authorized on the CAP distinctive uniforms... not yet on the AF style IIRC.

Also, what do I wear on the black Army/Navy windbreaker for the undress TPU?

Unless Vanguard has reintroduced metal flight officer grade... You're SOL.  Remember that poll about flight officers?

[JayT]

I saw some metal SFO insignia (really weird, sliver stripes on a black) in my units supply box, but I haven't seen anything on Vanguard.

I was thinking of just sticking a pair of blue epaulettes on my jacket.

[SJFedor]

Take a look on thehock, I remember seeing some metal FO/TFO/SFO insignia on there somewhere. Never seen the production model, but something is better then nothing, right?

And if you need some FO/TFO/SFO grey epaulets, I have a whole plethora. I can't even seem to give them away to people.

[SJESOFFICER]

I saw some metal SFO insignia (really weird, sliver stripes on a black) in my units supply box, but I haven't seen anything on Vanguard.

I was thinking of just sticking a pair of blue epaulettes on my jacket.

I believe those are AFROTC Officer ranks... I did ROTC in college while being a FO and TFO and yes they look simular and would love to use them but i dont think you can only thing you can wear rank of FO grades is CAP corp., blues, and bdu's Flight suits are rankless for FO grades to the best of my knowledge... personally I think we should recognize... kinda wonder why FO grades they exist... an adult is an adult even if they cant perform some of the ratings due to age...offtopic i know ...

*Written on Mobile PDA Sorry for All and Any Mistakes of Spelling/Punctuation etc.*

[Becks]

Take a look on thehock, I remember seeing some metal FO/TFO/SFO insignia on there somewhere. Never seen the production model, but something is better then nothing, right?

And if you need some FO/TFO/SFO grey epaulets, I have a whole plethora. I can't even seem to give them away to people.

The Hock "sells" metal insignia for FO's...but I ordered some about a year ago and they have yet to ever come in stock.

[JayT]

These weren't the sliver on blue I see AFROTC cadets wear (and wore myself at JROTC), but sliver on black.

[Becks]

These weren't the sliver on blue I see AFROTC cadets wear (and wore myself at JROTC), but sliver on black.

Correct the FO insignia basically looks like 1Lt rank but instead painted black with silver showing through for how many FO lines there are.  In fact there have been people in the past who have made FO insignia that way.

[SJESOFFICER]

College ROTC is Silver on black if I can recall, i think silver on blue is JROTC

[AlphaSigOU]

College ROTC is Silver on black if I can recall, i think silver on blue is JROTC

Not quite... AFJROTC grade insignia is quite different than those of their AFROTC brethren.

[SJESOFFICER]

Lol thats exatly what I said read my post   again, I was only refering to the colors and not size and shape 

[afgeo4]

AFROTC uses black epaulets. We use gray epaulets. What's the question?

[Pylon]

What's the question?

Nothing to do at all with epaulets, but rather hard grade insignia (plastic encased for flight suit, pin-on for mess dress shoulderboards and TPU service jacket).


What I completely fail to understand is the jacked up priorities of whomever at the time has been producing our CAP distinctive insignia.

IT specialty badge?  Vanguard produced them in all three levels and made them available on the web store for sale before the program was even in place to award them.

Meanwhile flight officer's have been struggling for years to get the required insignia for their various uniforms?

How about the Eaker mini medal?  Still hasn't been produced since the Eaker Award was introduced!

How about embroidered NCO epaulet sleeves?  CAP NCO's have been waiting for these for over a year since they replaced the pin-on epaulet sleeves.

The newest, optional bling-bling device to come out of the Maxwell Brain Trust gets pushed through to production in record times.... new specialty badges... mini GT badges... new command patches... etc.    Meanwhile, more important (and sometimes required items for some members) go years without any sign of being produced.  What gives?

[afgeo4]

There is no CAP metal or plastic encased flight officer insignia at this time. Why? Because our uniform decisions are uniform at not being applied uniformly.

[dwb]

The alternative is to stay a cadet until just before your 21st birthday.

[Cecil DP]

Attached are the FO bars as worn in CAP

[MIKE]

^ Except that they are darker blue/black and they don't have a silver boarder on each edge that makes them look like somebody Photoshopped some 1st Lt bars.

[jb512]

What's the question?

The newest, optional bling-bling device to come out of the Maxwell Brain Trust gets pushed through to production in record times.... new specialty badges... mini GT badges... new command patches... etc.    Meanwhile, more important (and sometimes required items for some members) go years without any sign of being produced.  What gives?

Exactly.  The only options left are print, laminate, and glue to the appropriate uniform.  [/sarcasm]  "Jacked up" is right.

[SarDragon]

What's the question?

Nothing to do at all with epaulets, but rather hard grade insignia (plastic encased for flight suit, pin-on for mess dress shoulderboards and TPU service jacket).


What I completely fail to understand is the jacked up priorities of whomever at the time has been producing our CAP distinctive insignia.

IT specialty badge?  Vanguard produced them in all three levels and made them available on the web store for sale before the program was even in place to award them.

Meanwhile flight officer's have been struggling for years to get the required insignia for their various uniforms?

How about the Eaker mini medal?  Still hasn't been produced since the Eaker Award was introduced!

How about embroidered NCO epaulet sleeves?  CAP NCO's have been waiting for these for over a year since they replaced the pin-on epaulet sleeves.

The newest, optional bling-bling device to come out of the Maxwell Brain Trust gets pushed through to production in record times.... new specialty badges... mini GT badges... new command patches... etc.    Meanwhile, more important (and sometimes required items for some members) go years without any sign of being produced.  What gives?

How many folks will be wearing the FO insignia? How many folks will be wearing the IT specialty badges? How many folks will be wearing the Eaker mini-medal? It's all economy of scale.

[jb512]

What's the question?

Nothing to do at all with epaulets, but rather hard grade insignia (plastic encased for flight suit, pin-on for mess dress shoulderboards and TPU service jacket).


What I completely fail to understand is the jacked up priorities of whomever at the time has been producing our CAP distinctive insignia.

IT specialty badge?  Vanguard produced them in all three levels and made them available on the web store for sale before the program was even in place to award them.

Meanwhile flight officer's have been struggling for years to get the required insignia for their various uniforms?

How about the Eaker mini medal?  Still hasn't been produced since the Eaker Award was introduced!

How about embroidered NCO epaulet sleeves?  CAP NCO's have been waiting for these for over a year since they replaced the pin-on epaulet sleeves.

The newest, optional bling-bling device to come out of the Maxwell Brain Trust gets pushed through to production in record times.... new specialty badges... mini GT badges... new command patches... etc.    Meanwhile, more important (and sometimes required items for some members) go years without any sign of being produced.  What gives?

How many folks will be wearing the FO insignia? How many folks will be wearing the IT specialty badges? How many folks will be wearing the Eaker mini-medal? It's all economy of scale.

The principle matters just as much.  Granted there are a low percentage of FOs, but they're required to wear something that doesn't exist.

I'd be willing to bet that if there was a General who rated an Eaker medal for his waiter suit, there would be a submission before the board.

[JayT]

AFJROTC Cadet Colonel



AFJROTC Cadet Captain

I've definately seen AFROTC cadets wearing them on their BDUs.

[SJFedor]

That's true, they do. I believe they also use the C/2d Lt insigna from AFJROTC in AFROTC for C/4C and the C/1st Lt insignia for C/3C, before they enter into the POC.

[jb512]

AFJROTC Cadet Colonel



AFJROTC Cadet Captain

I've definately seen AFROTC cadets wearing them on their BDUs.

Those are AFJROTC rank (but the Senior ROTC has taken two of them for their 4th and 3rd class rank).  I think the square ones that everyone is refering to is the picture I'm attaching...

[mikeylikey]

^ these are for the BDU's right?  As the shoulder sleeve insignia is slightly different.

[SAR-EMT1]

If you are talking about AFROTC we use the same epulet system as the Navy in regard to grade: 2nd lt = 1 stripe, cadet colonel = 4 stripes.
The epulet itself is jet black and the stripes are white/silver.

The c/4c and c/3c epulets are black and white and consist of stripes running at a 45 degree angle across the epulet. 1 stripe for freshmen and two for sophmores.


AFROTC GMC cadets use blue and silver 'jrotc' insignia on bdus - blue with either a single silver stripe or two silver stripes.

POC cadets use black squares with stripes. (think a hard epulet)

I was set up to be a  cadet second john before the medicaled me. 


As for what Ive seen among FO's, and what Ive done myself on BDUs  is get the POC epulet with either 1 two or three stripes, and put on "CAP" insignia on the opposite lapel.
Flight suits, never dealt with them.

Before I made Lt, I called Vanguard (2006) and inquired as to the availiblity of the hard  FO insignia and was informed. "No idea, a production run has yet to be scheduled."

[SJESOFFICER]

BDU wise Vanguard has cloth grades for FO's. As a prior FO and then TFO I would use these than  the metal ones, I believe are out of reg even if they are nice to wear.   Here is an example of AFROTC METAL GRADE RANKS  the Second, Captain, and Major ranks could work as FO ranks if regs allow...

[mikeylikey]

If you are talking about AFROTC we use the same epaulet system as the Navy in regard to grade: 2nd Lt = 1 stripe, cadet colonel = 4 stripes.

The navy ROTC uses lines, but they are all single lines not "FAT lines and SKINY lines" like what are used in AFROTC.  So The NROTC lines actually go up to six total lines, while AFROTC only goes up to four. 

[jb512]

^ these are for the BDU's right?  As the shoulder sleeve insignia is slightly different.

Correct.  The shoulder sleeves are black/white but still follow the same pattern for the officer insignia.

[alamrcn]

Might be a touch late, but I have all the Flight Officer insignia - plus a few of the Warrant Officer insignia here...
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/ranksenior/

-Ace