Faith and Science - CAP Chaplain Video

[Майор Хаткевич]

And remember there are no absolutes in morality.

What is moral in one situation may be morally required in another.

Bingo. Wait, gambling is immoral...   

If we live in the same place, lets follow the same rules.


I don't care what they do in Iran. But I'll certainly not try to enter a female only function in "protest" of said rules. Not unless I like Iranian jails.

[THRAWN]

And remember there are no absolutes in morality.

What is moral in one situation may be morally required in another.

Bingo. Wait, gambling is immoral...   

If we live in the same place, lets follow the same rules.


I don't care what they do in Iran. But I'll certainly not try to enter a female only function in "protest" of said rules. Not unless I like Iranian jails.

So you're saying that people who come here from cultures who believe that they are morally obligated to arrange a suitable spouse for their children should not do that?

[JeffDG]

Nothing gets a discussion going like God or uniforms

Just trying to liven up the place

Now, how can I meld these two?  .........

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=18201.20

[Майор Хаткевич]

And remember there are no absolutes in morality.

What is moral in one situation may be morally required in another.

Bingo. Wait, gambling is immoral...   

If we live in the same place, lets follow the same rules.


I don't care what they do in Iran. But I'll certainly not try to enter a female only function in "protest" of said rules. Not unless I like Iranian jails.

So you're saying that people who come here from cultures who believe that they are morally obligated to arrange a suitable spouse for their children should not do that?

Yes.

[ColonelJack]

Nothing gets a discussion going like God or uniforms

I didn't know God wore a uniform.

Jack

[Luis R. Ramos]

Maybe God does not have a uniform, but angels do.

They have wings and fly, right?

[JeffDG]

Maybe God does not have a uniform, but angels do.

They have wings and fly, right?

But, do they have a process for award of said wings, and documentation of the right to wear them?

[PWK-GT]

Maybe God does not have a uniform, but angels do.

They have wings and fly, right?

But, do they have a process for award of said wings, and documentation of the right to wear them?

Death certificate? ;-)

[THRAWN]

Nothing gets a discussion going like God or uniforms

I didn't know God wore a uniform.

Jack

Reminds me of a joke about how God just THINKS he is a Navy Chief....

[Майор Хаткевич]

What's the difference between God and Putin?

God doesn't think he is Putin.

[Chappie]

Nothing gets a discussion going like God or uniforms

Just trying to liven up the place

Now, how can I meld these two?  .........

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=18201.20

For the record...this was handled within the Chaplain Corps at the time.  CAP Chaplains are not authorized to wear ABUs.  End of story.    Unfortunately, things on the internet remain long after.

[LSThiker]

Sure it does. Your morality is based on your environment and perspective. Is a North Korean politician less moral than one from New York? Ask Anakin, it's all about perspective....

How did that turn out for Anakin?

No it does not. I do not agree with moral relativism.  It assumes there are not moral truths.  Since you think it is all about perspective, then you would agree that there is a specific instance in which it is morally acceptable to rape a child?  Or infanticide?

Of course, this is not to say I believe in moral absolutism either.  I subscribe more to objective morality.

[LSThiker]

Maybe God does not have a uniform, but angels do.

You mean Angels in the Outfield right? 

[JeffDG]

Maybe God does not have a uniform, but angels do.

They have wings and fly, right?

[JeffDG]

Nothing gets a discussion going like God or uniforms

Just trying to liven up the place

Now, how can I meld these two?  .........

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=18201.20

For the record...this was handled within the Chaplain Corps at the time.  CAP Chaplains are not authorized to wear ABUs.  End of story.    Unfortunately, things on the internet remain long after.

I just posted it because someone asked if there was a way to meld the two...

[THRAWN]

Sure it does. Your morality is based on your environment and perspective. Is a North Korean politician less moral than one from New York? Ask Anakin, it's all about perspective....

How did that turn out for Anakin?

No it does not. I do not agree with moral relativism.  It assumes there are not moral truths.  Since you think it is all about perspective, then you would agree that there is a specific instance in which it is morally acceptable to rape a child?  Or infanticide?

Of course, this is not to say I believe in moral absolutism either.  I subscribe more to objective morality.

In this society? No, those actions would not be acceptable. In other societies, the possibility exists. Like faith, morality is subjective. Subscribe all you like to objective morality, but it does not accurately reflect reality.

[Chappie]

Nothing gets a discussion going like God or uniforms

Just trying to liven up the place

Now, how can I meld these two?  .........

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=18201.20

For the record...this was handled within the Chaplain Corps at the time.  CAP Chaplains are not authorized to wear ABUs.  End of story.    Unfortunately, things on the internet remain long after.

I just posted it because someone asked if there was a way to meld the two...

Got it now - well played  :clap:  Say a big duh (discussion on God and Uniform) .... I need more coffee

[lordmonar]

Sure it does. Your morality is based on your environment and perspective. Is a North Korean politician less moral than one from New York? Ask Anakin, it's all about perspective....

How did that turn out for Anakin?

No it does not. I do not agree with moral relativism.  It assumes there are not moral truths.  Since you think it is all about perspective, then you would agree that there is a specific instance in which it is morally acceptable to rape a child?  Or infanticide?

Of course, this is not to say I believe in moral absolutism either.  I subscribe more to objective morality.

yes I do because I assume there are no moral truths. If I could save a whole village by killing a baby then maybe that is the moral thing to do.

Objective morality assumes an outside standard.   Who sets the standard.

I start at morality by defining what it is.  My definition of morality is the set of standard a society sets to improve the chances of survival of that society.   

Relativism comes into play as the society changes. Or the survival situation changes.

[JeffDG]

Got it now - well played  :clap:  Say a big duh (discussion on God and Uniform) .... I need more coffee

Don't we all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg

[THRAWN]

Sure it does. Your morality is based on your environment and perspective. Is a North Korean politician less moral than one from New York? Ask Anakin, it's all about perspective....

How did that turn out for Anakin?

No it does not. I do not agree with moral relativism.  It assumes there are not moral truths.  Since you think it is all about perspective, then you would agree that there is a specific instance in which it is morally acceptable to rape a child?  Or infanticide?

Of course, this is not to say I believe in moral absolutism either.  I subscribe more to objective morality.

yes I do because I assume there are no moral truths. If I could save a whole village by killing a baby then maybe that is the moral thing to do.

Objective morality assumes an outside standard.   Who sets the standard.
I start at morality by defining what it is.  My definition of morality is the set of standard a society sets to improve the chances of survival of that society.   

Relativism comes into play as the society changes. Or the survival situation changes.

Exactly. What's the quote? Theories are gray but the real world is green...something along those lines. The concept of morality is great. The reality of it is quite another thing.