NCO Program Launched

[AirAux]

I would say that one part of our job is to introduce scholarships to our cadets and seniors if available.  I currently have two cadets at the Air Force Academy.  Higher education is encouraged by the Air Force, ergo, we should also..

[Eclipse]

I would say that one part of our job is to introduce scholarships to our cadets and seniors if available.  I currently have two cadets at the Air Force Academy.  Higher education is encouraged by the Air Force, ergo, we should also..

I wouldn't disagree - there's a big difference between "encouraging" something, and requiring it, especially of adults who are volunteers.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Good IT folks consider $1/minute to be entry level, no degree required.  No need to waste 10 years of earning (or approximately $1.2m) plus going six figures into debt for that.

Yep, though to be fair, that's more on the consulting side, which is really where you want to be as long as you can accept the possible instability.

Yea, maybe back in the day. With IT/Programing outsourcing and (just like law) supply exceeding demand, most kids these days are glad to find a sub-50k gig on those fields. Hell, we were hoping for 45k, would settle for 40k when my wife started looking for work after college. Thankfully she did better than that, but it was a point we were considering to be good!

[Flying Pig]

I would say that one part of our job is to introduce scholarships to our cadets and seniors if available.  I currently have two cadets at the Air Force Academy.  Higher education is encouraged by the Air Force, ergo, we should also..

I wouldn't disagree - there's a big difference between "encouraging" something, and requiring it, especially of adults who are volunteers.

We aren't the Air Force.  Nor do we have the capacity to really encourage a college education for adult members beyond just talking about it.  If we just want to arbitrarily start requiring degrees for certain assignments in CAP, then go ahead.  There are no tangible benefits with having a degree and volunteering in CAP.  Most adult members I know are usually settled in their careers, have families and are pretty much on whatever path they have chosen in life.  I don't have a degree.  And I think anyone would have a pretty hard time convincing me that there are missions in CAP that I am incapable of because I don't have one.  Sure, encourage education and make resources available.  But unless CAP is going to start providing financial assistance to adult members to attend college, good luck. 

[AirAux]

Flying Pig, I concur..

[Eclipse]

Me too.

[Shuman 14]

Yes, "respect" - the go-to word when people hear things they don't like.

That's not necessarily true because many here on this board respect you, but don't necessarily like you, or more specifically, your condescending attitude.

Apparently the assumption is people join CAP to make friends. 

If the the hard light of day causes people not to "like" me, so be it, though you'll have to take a number, that's a pretty long queue.

And the easy light of day too! 

[Shuman 14]

Yes, "respect" - the go-to word when people hear things they don't like.

That's not necessarily true because many here on this board respect you, but don't necessarily like you, or more specifically, your condescending attitude.

Apparently the assumption is people join CAP to make friends. 

If the the hard light of day causes people not to "like" me, so be it, though you'll have to take a number, that's a pretty long queue.

Actually, I'm one of the few on this board that does like you, although I think you could tone down the attitude from time to time. 

I like you too Eclipse, I just like yanking your chain from time to time. Don't take it personal, it's not intended that way.

[Shuman 14]

NCRBlues,

It's not overly complicated, the new progression track will be NCO not Officer.

New volunteers won't expect to someday be LTCs, they will hope to be CMSgts.

And when they ask "Hey, Bill, why is Bob a LT?" The answer will be "Well Jim, Bob has a degree and chose to accept the extra responsibility of command, so he applied for a commission and was accepted."

So again I ask... are you (or anyone else) volunteering in CAP to make a difference and make America better, or are you in CAP to wear a rank?

If you want to make a difference, does it matter if it's in a blue or grey uniform or if it has chevrons or bars on it? If that's your choice, then it won't matter.

If its for the rank, then you are part of the problem that MG Carr is trying to fix with this re-vamp of the NCO Corps.

As I look at both of my degrees hanging on the wall behind me (undergrad and grad degree) I strongly disagree with you.

Requiring a degree in CAP will be complicated... Very.

Let's go down the (very likely to happen) possibility road. Squadron middle of nowhere FarmVille has been run by local farmers and other upstanding members of the community. Suddenly, CAP requires you to have a degree to be an officer, and poof all the senior members are now SSGT or TSGT because obviously you can't have to many SNCO's at the unit level ( sarcasm if you couldn't tell). So, now what does the unit due? Close? Become a flight to the next "close" unit of 100 miles one way? Get a single person to join with a degree to be "commander forever" because no one else has the time or money to go to college and then serve at CAPs whim? Then what happens when the local judge/mayor/fire chief who was commander for 15 years kicks the bucket?

And here is a real question for you. Who at NHQ is going to handle all this new logistics and administration? We can't even get updated regulations, required inspections completed in person or a myriad of other things already because of a shortage of funds and workers at NHQ. Heck, the CP department alone consists of just 2 workers.

You so desperately want to be correct on this. You are speculating without even having served A DAY in CAP.

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong... won't be the first time that happened in my life.

Guess you missed the part where I said the current Officer Corps would be grandfathered and the part about requiring it for CPT or higher. That is in alignment with the military that will allow commissions from certain military colleges and OCS without the degree but it will have to be completed prior to your CPTs' Promotion Broad.

So your Mayberry unit most likely has enough grandfathered officers running around that the problem you pose will really not be an issue and by the time it is, most new members will already be in the NCO track so again, really not an issue.

As to your logistics question, who handles it now? Who's going to handle it for the new NCO Corps? I'd need to know that before I can offer a suggestion.

[Shuman 14]

to vs. too and due vs. do

Where did you get your grad degree from??

Purdue. Where did you get your Grammar Police badge? 

[cap235629]

to vs. too and due vs. do

Where did you get your grad degree from??

Purdue. Where did you get your Grammar Police badge? 

From the VA Security Guard/Rent-a-Cop store......

[cap235629]

to vs. too and due vs. do

Where did you get your grad degree from??

Purdue. Where did you get your Grammar Police badge? 

From the VA Security Guard/Rent-a-Cop store......

couldn't resist 

[Shuman 14]

And that would be the day when myself and CAP parts ways.  I wouldn't want to be part of an organization that tells me that all the hard work and time I've put into it is devalued because I don't have a piece of paper saying I studied Womyn's Struggles for four years.

umm WOW!....  In theory its only a title change, the PD looks to me like its pretty much the same thing.  I am not sure how that suddenly devalued your work and effort?  Because you cant tell people you are a CAPT/MAJ/LTC in the USAF... auxillary?......

I dont know how long you have been a member of the organization, but this would not be the first seemingly ridiculous change/requirement to come up that has had people threatening to leave in such epic proportions as to lay waste to the membership levels

Berry Boards
Orange Hard hats and vests
fingerprints/background checks
CPPT
no push ups
Only vans

Im am sure there are more (many more) and yet CAP still exists.....

mk

:clap:

[Shuman 14]

to vs. too and due vs. do

Where did you get your grad degree from??

Purdue. Where did you get your Grammar Police badge? 

From the VA Security Guard/Rent-a-Cop store......

couldn't resist 

All good brother! 

[Garibaldi]

to vs. too and due vs. do

Where did you get your grad degree from??

Purdue. Where did you get your Grammar Police badge? 

Pur-do?

/runs

[Shuman 14]

to vs. too and due vs. do

Where did you get your grad degree from??

Purdue. Where did you get your Grammar Police badge? 

Pur-do?

/runs

My undergrad is from IU.

I figure if I do law school at Notre Dame and I'll have the whole state sewn up. 

[Luis R. Ramos]

IU?

Hope not Indiana U at Bloomington!

That is where I got two Masters...

Flyer

[Shuman 14]

Indiana University, Class of 1995, SPEA, BS Criminal Justice and Class of 1999, SPEA, Graduate Certificate of Public Management. 

[Luis R. Ramos]

Oh nooooo!

I have to "tone it down" with ya now? Hope not! I am having fun when I throw little quibs at ya!

Flyer

[Flying Pig]

GED program, California Department of Corrections myself.