Senior Member Dress coat

[MattPHS2002]

Anyone know where I can pick up the braiding to modify an old cadet service coat? I'm cheap/can't afford the new jackets.

[arajca]

Are you modifying the old AF style with the four pockets (looks like the Army class A jacket, but in blue)? If so, don't bother, CAP senior members are not authorized to wear it.

Otherwise, check with (I know someone will disagree) Vanguard. Or the Hock. 

[Psicorp]

If you're talking about the Service Coat with the four pockets on the front...it isn't reg for Senior Members.  They remain allowed under regulation for Cadets, but not Officers...sorry.   

If you really wanted to be cheap, and within regs, what you could do is buy a current Enlisted Service Coat/Blazer and find a good seamstress to sew epallets and braid onto it.  You can find the Enlisted coat/blazer all day long on Ebay.

[MIKE]

Everyone was thinking the same thing... Even me.

The Hock has the braid. www.thehock.com SKU #: 9193 $1.95

Have to check to see if Vanguard has it also.

Edit: Yes they do.

[MattPHS2002]

I plan on taking the pockets off:) it is possible my dad did it with his I just needed the info for the braid, thanks a ton:)

[SarDragon]

Aren't the basic cut of the coat and the shade different, too? I haven't owned or worn either variety, but from looking at the 39-1 pix, they look different enough for the older one to look out of place wothout the pockets.

YMMV.

[MIKE]

I plan on taking the pockets off:) it is possible my dad did it with his I just needed the info for the braid, thanks a ton:)

Don't waste your time.  Either get the new style officers coat, or don't bother.

[A.Member]

I plan on taking the pockets off:) it is possible my dad did it with his I just needed the info for the braid, thanks a ton:)

Don't bother.  Save your pennies until you can by the correct uniform item (even if you pull the pockets off and it somehow manages to not look like complete crap, the blues are different).  In the meantime, wear one of the bizzillion other uniform options that are available.  

EDIT:  looks like we have a concensus.

[MattPHS2002]

I already do I wear my BDU's I personally can't stand Blues and I've said for the longest time I'm not buying anything for CAP uniform wise but I can't afford a service coat.

[MIKE]

Aren't the basic cut of the coat and the shade different, too? I haven't owned or worn either variety, but from looking at the 39-1 pix, they look different enough for the older one to look out of place wothout the pockets.

YMMV.

They are.  I own both styles.

[MattPHS2002]

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker, answer no one but some uniform nazi.

[MIKE]

I already do I wear my BDU's I personally can't stand Blues and I've said for the longest time I'm not buying anything for CAP uniform wise but I can't afford a service coat.

Do you live anywhere near an AFB?  Some bases have thrift shops that carry used uniforms for cheap.  I got my service coat at the one on Hanscom.

It's not a required item anyway... If you have the minimum basic service uniform, you are all set.

[A.Member]

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker, answer no one but some uniform nazi.

Wrong.  Answer:  Everyone will notice - because it's not the correct item (not even very close).  If you can't do it correctly, then don't do it all.  That's part of your obligation to the organization.  It's really that simple. 

As MIKE indicates, it's not a required uniform item.  If you showed up in my squadron with such a hack, I'd have you remove the coat and instruct you not to wear it again (and if I didn't, someone else would).

[SarDragon]

I seriously resent the Uniform Nazi remark.

I have worn a uniform of one sort or another since 1963. In each instance, the proper wearing of the uniform was stressed, for whatever important reasons given to us related to the particular organization. Wearing of a uniform modified to look like another is NOT proper. Period. Wear the correct uniform, and wear it right, or don't wear it at all.

[MattPHS2002]

I meant no disrespect, however that being said the shades are so subtle that in most instance were Blues are worn you would not be able to tell that the shade was off, if they want us to switch to something just cause they are making the shade of blue lighter or darker then they (meaning NHQ) needs to start shelling out some money or get the stuff so that it can be issued.

[MIKE]

Come And Pay or Cash And Plastic if you prefer.

[MattPHS2002]

Come And Pay or Cash And Plastic if you prefer.

So true, so very very true, that doesn't mean that it should be, this would normally be where I could bring up the Canadian Cadet program but I think I've caused enough ruckus for one night.

[SJFedor]

Well Matt, since you're unit is at Pittsburgh IAP, and there's an ANG unit, which I know your unit has done a lot of dealings with, why don't you talk to them and see if they have a jacket around that can fall off a truck for you?


I'm gonna assume, since there's only one other member with your last name in all of CAP, that the other one is your father at GP 1 headquarters. Since he is the supply and logistics officer for the group, I would hope he could help you find the correct uniform. And if he's wearing a ripoff modification of that, and someone from the wing level hasn't smited him for it yet, that's really surprising. I know Lt. Col. Willa Hayes eats people alive for small uniform infractions.

Or, send an email to the Wing LG and see if they have any senior member service dress jackets.

But for the love of god, don't try and alter a jacket to that extreme. It'll come out looking rather crappy, be completely improper and technically against regulation, since it's not a USAF mil-spec approved uniform item anymore, and it'll just hurt the image of CAP more, especially with an ANG unit where you guys are located.

If you don't want to blow the money on the service jacket, don't. Wear the short or long sleeve combo with the lightweight jacket until you DO have the money or happen to acquire the proper uniform. Or wear the grey pants and the polo as many seniors do. Or go with the TPU. Or any other proper uniform.

This isn't the boy scouts, you can't just have mom alter the uniform a little bit to make do.

I'd expect and understand this from a new member, but you've been in since 1998. You're old enough, and experienced enough,  to know the rules and how it works.

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker, answer no one but some uniform nazi.

The people who wear the uniform for a living will certainly notice. As well as those who know how to properly wear the uniform.


PS- please see the Announcements and Feedback section of this forum, the thread titled "CAP has official grade abbreviations"

It's 2d Lt., not 2LT.

[MIKE]

PS- please see the Announcements and Feedback section of this forum, the thread titled "CAP has official grade abbreviations"

It's 2d Lt., not 2LT.

[Off Topic] 2d Lt with no periods. [/Off Topic]

[SJFedor]

My apologies, that puppy snuck in there.

Me and my punctuation.

[MattPHS2002]

Well Matt, since you're unit is at Pittsburgh IAP, and there's an ANG unit, which I know your unit has done a lot of dealings with, why don't you talk to them and see if they have a jacket around that can fall off a truck for you?


I'm gonna assume, since there's only one other member with your last name in all of CAP, that the other one is your father at GP 1 headquarters. Since he is the supply and logistics officer for the group, I would hope he could help you find the correct uniform. And if he's wearing a ripoff modification of that, and someone from the wing level hasn't smited him for it yet, that's really surprising. I know Lt. Col. Willa Hayes eats people alive for small uniform infractions.

Or, send an email to the Wing LG and see if they have any senior member service dress jackets.

But for the love of god, don't try and alter a jacket to that extreme. It'll come out looking rather crappy, be completely improper and technically against regulation, since it's not a USAF mil-spec approved uniform item anymore, and it'll just hurt the image of CAP more, especially with an ANG unit where you guys are located.

If you don't want to blow the money on the service jacket, don't. Wear the short or long sleeve combo with the lightweight jacket until you DO have the money or happen to acquire the proper uniform. Or wear the grey pants and the polo as many seniors do. Or go with the TPU. Or any other proper uniform.

This isn't the boy scouts, you can't just have mom alter the uniform a little bit to make do.

I'd expect and understand this from a new member, but you've been in since 1998. You're old enough, and experienced enough,  to know the rules and how it works.

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker, answer no one but some uniform nazi.

The people who wear the uniform for a living will certainly notice. As well as those who know how to properly wear the uniform.


PS- please see the Announcements and Feedback section of this forum, the thread titled "CAP has official grade abbreviations"

It's 2d Lt., not 2LT.

The fact that you went and looked that up is slightly worrisome, unit location is so easy to find its not funny but the rest of it... and yes the other Gamret is indeed my dad and he doesn't have the coat at Group that was the first place I went. As for 2d Lt I really don't like the way that looks, as for the TPU and other variants of the corporate uniform I think for the most part they look like crap. I'd like to have this coat for when I take cadets to DC sometime in June or July, even if it was allowed I wouldn't wear BDU's there, street clothes for the most part mainly because if I'm doing that much walking dress shoes are out of the question

[Camas]

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker

I've seen the shades mixed and trust me, it shows.

answer no one but some uniform nazi.

Wearing the uniform properly in accordance with CAPM 39-1 has to do with something called integrity.

Wearing of a uniform modified to look like another is NOT proper. Period. Wear the correct uniform, and wear it right, or don't wear it at all.

I concur completely - been there, done that!

[arajca]

You can't make the old service coat (4 pocket) look the like current service coat. The shade is the least of your worries. Oxidation of the fabric will highlight where the pockets have been removed. The new service coat does not have patch pockets (pockets that are sewn onto the outside of the garmet), so there will be a significant color variation where the pockets were. The current service coat is a three button, high gore jacket with epaulets, not a four button high gore jacket with external pleated patch pockets and epaulets.

As many have said, you're better off getting the real thing or not wearing one at all.

[Psicorp]

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker, answer no one but some uniform nazi.

They are very different coats, and yes, someone will notice...if they don't say something to you, they'll say something to your superiors.  Either get the correct uniform, or don't bother!!  It's non-negotiable.

[Major Carrales]

The service coat, new style, has a "slit pocket" above which ribbons are to be worn in a certain manner described in the regs.

The old coat has four buttons, as was mentioned, and a different cut.  The new coat has an almost "business suit" look (by original design) while the old has a more form fitting one.

Col Hodgkins gave me some advice about getting a service coat, he basically said to wait because the USAF was most likely going to change within a few years.

[BillB]

If you do have an Air Force base nearby, Check the Thrift Shop. At the Thrift Shop at Tyndall AFB, I bought 2 male and 2 female new style service coats for a total of $20 for members of my Home Squadron. But that was at special price. Normally the clerk said they are #10 each, not the $5 each I paid.

[DNall]

What I don't get is really who is gonna notice that the shade is a tick darker, answer no one but some uniform nazi.

I hate to be overly dramatic about this, but... Son, I don't give one little crap about you, but your uniform represents every other person in this org, and the hundreds of thousands of men & women who have gone before you, not to mention 200 years of soldiers, sailors, airmen, & marines who've lived & died for what that thing represents. You might as well wipe your butt with the flag & give it a vetran for Christmas.  [/rant]

The shade is VERY obvious, as is the cut, weave, texture... it's impossible NOT to notice. You might as well have a tailor make it from scratch. You might theoretically be able to re-use the buttons. I'm sorry you can't afford a new one, I refused to pay the outrageous price myself. I happen to get mine for free. We get some in surplus from time to time. We trade w/ AFROTC units when the opportunity presents itself. Watch eBay for the officer version in your size. Check AFB thrift shop if you can, or make a connection with someone here that might can check for your size. If it's a priority then you'll save up & do it right, if it's not then get the light weight jacket & move on. PLEASE do not try to create something you thing might pass at a distance, it won't.

[aveighter]

I am astonished.

If there ever was an object lesson on the basis for many of the problems we have in this organizations, it is the mere existence of this thread.

Lets see if I have it about right.

1. I don't want to use the official USAF grade abbreviations because my made up ones are way more cool.
2. I don't like any of the many proper uniform options available so I am willingly going to dishonor the uniform of the United States and all those who have and do wear it while attending the nations capitol in the company of CADETS decked out in some halfassed home made parody of a CAP Officer suit to the extreme embarrassment of anyone possessing an IQ only slightly higher than an amoeba.

On second thought, this is just someones idea of a prank.  Not even those yankee wings would allow someone so lame to process an application and even though our standards for membership are pretty weak, they aren't THAT weak.

Naw, this whole thing is just a gag.

Right?

[DNall]

On second thought, this is just someones idea of a prank.  Not even those yankee wings would allow someone so lame to process an application and even though our standards for membership are pretty weak, they aren't THAT weak.

Naw, this whole thing is just a gag.

Right?

God I hope so. I had that thought as well. Far as being THAT weak... I know a SMWOG that I literally don't know which side of the legally retarded line he's on, but it's a close run thing. Joined the same night as a MSgt just retired from 23 years in the AF & they were going to get 2Lt on the same night? Yeah, you just never can tell about some people. But, here's hoping.

[arajca]

Now, with all the information thrown out on this thread, I realize we are all making a major assumption - that MattPHS2002 is talking about the old style AF service jacket. He could very well be talking about the current AF style service jacket that he wore as a cadet or got from a cadet. If that is the case, Matt, please let us know.

[DNall]

I plan on taking the pockets off:) it is possible my dad did it with his I just needed the info for the braid, thanks a ton:)

Doesn't seem like it.

[Major Carrales]

I plan on taking the pockets off:) it is possible my dad did it with his I just needed the info for the braid, thanks a ton:)

Doesn't seem like it.

His dad did it with his?  I think we need some light shed on this.  I can't see anyone talking pockets off of the new style, even enlisted cut, jacket.

[SJFedor]

The fact that you went and looked that up is slightly worrisome, unit location is so easy to find its not funny but the rest of it... and yes the other Gamret is indeed my dad and he doesn't have the coat at Group that was the first place I went. As for 2d Lt I really don't like the way that looks, as for the TPU and other variants of the corporate uniform I think for the most part they look like crap. I'd like to have this coat for when I take cadets to DC sometime in June or July, even if it was allowed I wouldn't wear BDU's there, street clothes for the most part mainly because if I'm doing that much walking dress shoes are out of the question

Scary when you're held accountable, isn't it?

The fact that you don't like how the proper abbreviation doesn't mean anything. ITS THE PROPER ABBREVIATION. I'd recommend you revert back to a SMWOG if you don't like your abbreviation, can't screw that one up.

Your continued ignorance really scares me. What kind of message are you sending to the cadets under your command by wearing a jacked up put-together-in-my-basement uniform? What kind of message is that sending them, besides that there's an easier, cheaper way, and it's ok to do because 2d Lt so and so did it.

You think the TPU and other variants of the corporate uniform look like crap. I'd agree with you on that, but you think your jacked up version of the service coat won't? I'd rather see proper, by regulation, but crappy then improper, against regulation, and crappier.

And God FORBID you take a severely altered uniform item, and then wear it in our nation's capital. Why? Are you planning on burning an american flag while you're there?

[CAPLAW]

 just another Senior Member   Officer who likes to make up his own uniform.

GOT 39-1!

[A.Member]

Naw, this whole thing is just a gag.

Right?

I'm starting to come to the same conclusion.  There is no other reasonable explanation for such foolishness.

[MattPHS2002]

After looking at the jacket I realized yeah your right I can't do it I was thinking of the older Service coat so I'm not going to try and rig it, still on the 2d Lt/2nd Lt. bit really other than one being official and the other not what is the difference, again nothing.

[Camas]

on the 2d Lt/2nd Lt. bit really other than one being official and the other not what is the difference, again nothing.

Check out the Air Force Tongue & Quill AFH 33-337 page 312

[MattPHS2002]

Duly noted Major, however that does not change the fact that I don't think it looks right. I've used 2nd Lt. for months with no issues.

[DNall]

After looking at the jacket I realized yeah your right I can't do it I was thinking of the older Service coat so I'm not going to try and rig it, still on the 2d Lt/2nd Lt. bit really other than one being official and the other not what is the difference, again nothing.

What older coat? You're getting into kahki before the four pocket right? Whatever.

I won't beat you up over the abbreviations. It's common in the AF to use 1Lt or 2Lt. We use shorthand here all the time. Just make sure you use the correct abbreviations in official communications.

[MattPHS2002]

DNall the coat that I'm talking about is the four pocket one but as I've said after looking at it and thinking my dad did go and buy a new one at some point, when that is I don't remember but it was within the last few years when they changed the regs. Next question while we are at it, ES dog patch is 1/2 inch centered above the CAP tape correct?

[aveighter]

Our friend here is a comedic genius.  His continued ability to portray a complete imbecile is truly impressive.  And the added effect of totally inept and near incomprehensible grammatical construction is worthy of a Oscar!

But for anyone out there unaware that this is nothing more than a holiday prank by a young fellow just pretending to be a moron, the difference between something  that is official and something that is not is, well, one IS official and the other IS NOT and the inability to recognize that would surely disqualify one from even the remotest contact with young potentially impressionable minds of the cadet variety.   Or, really, anything else with a value greater than about fifty cents.

Pure genius!  My hat (a combo of the flight and service caps) is off to you!

[MIKE]

Next question while we are at it, ES dog patch is 1/2 inch centered above the CAP tape correct?

1/2 inch centered above the nametape.

[SJFedor]

Next question while we are at it, ES dog patch is 1/2 inch centered above the CAP tape correct?

RTFM. 39.1

It's non negotiable, and not subject to your interpretation. Read it. Follow it.

[MattPHS2002]

Thank you Mike.

[A.Member]

After looking at the jacket I realized yeah your right I can't do it I was thinking of the older Service coat so I'm not going to try and rig it...

Glad to see you make the right decision - even if it took significantly more effort to do so than it ever should've. 

It doesn't sound like you're a new member so none of this type of information should be news to you.  As such, I'd suggest that you take it upon yourself to sit down and familiarize yourself with the history of the organization and it's regulations - and soon.  Good luck.

[MattPHS2002]

I'm aware of the regulations that I need to be aware of for what I do. What I'm not familiar with are wing supplements because they have a habit of not filtering down.

[Psicorp]

I'm aware of the regulations that I need to be aware of for what I do. What I'm not familiar with are wing supplements because they have a habit of not filtering down.

PAWG doesn't post supplements on the Wing website? 

[A.Member]

I'm aware of the regulations that I need to be aware of for what I do. What I'm not familiar with are wing supplements because they have a habit of not filtering down.

With all due respect, it doesn't appear that you are.  Nor does it appear that you have respect for the organization or it's regulations.  39-1 and all it's supplements are available at cap.gov.

I don't know you.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  Maybe you're yanking our collective chains with this entire bit.  Who knows.  But that's the impression you leave with me and, by all appearances, others here.  Is that the impression you're shooting for?

[MattPHS2002]

Really my lack of respect is for my old squadron, there are a few people there that I can tolerate, which is why I'm no longer there. I also have little respect for those that decide to continue to beat dead horses when I've admitted after looking at the items in question that it is not possible. I also have trouble respecting an organization that bills itself as being associated with the USAF and yet we get very little help (from what I've seen at the squadron level.)

[MattPHS2002]

I'm aware of the regulations that I need to be aware of for what I do. What I'm not familiar with are wing supplements because they have a habit of not filtering down.

PAWG doesn't post supplements on the Wing website? 

Not for what I need no.

[CAPLAW]

Matt, is this a joke ? because you got to let me in on it!

[MattPHS2002]

Nope, I don't joke. My new squadron is a million times better but I'm still bitter over the whole issue I had with cadet staff.

[SJFedor]

Really my lack of respect is for my old squadron, there are a few people there that I can tolerate, which is why I'm no longer there. I also have little respect for those that decide to continue to beat dead horses when I've admitted after looking at the items in question that it is not possible. I also have trouble respecting an organization that bills itself as being associated with the USAF and yet we get very little help (from what I've seen at the squadron level.)

I'm sorry there are people in your old squadron you do not like. However, that is life.

However, we're not beating dead horses on this one. It's very sad that you've admitted you won't do it because it can't be done, not because it's incorrect to do.

If you don't like the organization, I'm sorry as well, but since you've been in for 8+ years, you know how it works, if you don't like it, I would recommend you put your talents and time elsewhere.


As for wing uniform supplements, the USAF service dress remains unchanged from the senior component. Cadets have a few special things (orange cords) that are in the wing supplements, but none that applies to seniors. NCSA patches go on the left sleeve, in direct contradiction of the 39-1, but Applebaum will do as he wills, talk to a HMRS grad if you need the lowdown on the ranger uniform, it's not that complicated.

I'm aware of the regulations that I need to be aware of for what I do. What I'm not familiar with are wing supplements because they have a habit of not filtering down.

Regulations that you need to be aware of for what you do??? With the exception of the 60-1, since you're not a pilot, ALL the regulations apply to you in some shape or form. 39-1 applies EVERY TIME you wear the uniform, non negotiable. Obviously you're not aware of the regulations you need to be for what you do.

Nope, I don't joke. My new squadron is a million times better but I'm still bitter over the whole issue I had with cadet staff.

You've gotta be kidding me. What's wrong, did the cadets call you on how FOS and out of line you were with all of this, and it didn't sit well? You're an officer, there shouldn't BE issues with cadet staff, and if there is, it sounds like it may be CPPT related.

I pray you're not serious with all this. You're a shining example of what not to be.

[CAP428]

Really my lack of respect is for my old squadron, there are a few people there that I can tolerate, which is why I'm no longer there.

All right.  If you're no longer there, then there should not be an issue any more right?  Just get over it and get on.

I also have little respect for those that decide to continue to beat dead horses when I've admitted after looking at the items in question that it is not possible.

Sorry if you feel that way, we just couldn't seriously believe that you thought you could convert an old-style coat to a new one by hand.  I mean, did you really think people would not notice the screaming difference in cut, the lapels, and not to mention the four buttons instead of three??  I hope not.

I also have trouble respecting an organization that bills itself as being associated with the USAF and yet we get very little help (from what I've seen at the squadron level.)

Then you don't have to stay.  Nobody is forcing you to.  I mean, I'm really not trying to be smart-aleck or anything here.  I truly do not understand why someone would stay in an organization if they have "trouble respecting" it.  Honestly, there is absolutely nothing that is keeping you from leaving.  So....get over your trouble with respect or leave.  It's that simple.  Nobody likes whining and the squeaky wheel gets replaced.....and there seems to be a heckuva lot of squeaking here.

Nope, I don't joke. My new squadron is a million times better but I'm still bitter over the whole issue I had with cadet staff.

I hope you're joking again.  Being bitter is dumb enough in itself, but with cadet staff??  Oh, please.  The cadet staff is not even thinking about you anymore so to be "bitter" is only hurting yourself.  Whatare you bitter about?  You didn't get your way or something?  That sounds like a 2nd-grade problem that you should have learned to deal with LOOOOOONNNNG ago.  Being bitter never, repeat never solves anything.  So save yourself some time and just....don't be bitter.

[DNall]

Our friend here is a comedic genius.  His continued ability to portray a complete imbecile is truly impressive.  And the added effect of totally inept and near incomprehensible grammatical construction is worthy of a Oscar!

But for anyone out there unaware that this is nothing more than a holiday prank by a young fellow just pretending to be a moron, the difference between something  that is official and something that is not is, well, one IS official and the other IS NOT and the inability to recognize that would surely disqualify one from even the remotest contact with young potentially impressionable minds of the cadet variety.   Or, really, anything else with a value greater than about fifty cents.

Pure genius!  My hat (a combo of the flight and service caps) is off to you!

I sure want to believe that. That's my instinct on it, but it's ahrd to read people thru an internet connection, and... This:

I know a SMWOG that I literally don't know which side of the legally retarded line he's on, but it's a close run thing.

was no joke. This is a person who should not be in CAP, never should have been offered an application, but you get a package deal w/ a couple cadets & a lawyer in Sq who thinks ADA means you can't run anyone away.... You just can't tell anymore, and that's really ashame.

[BillB]

The older blue service coat had the two lower pockets as patch pockets. It would have been easy to remove those to look like ther service coat that followed that. Removing the patch pockets would cause the service coat to look like the current version for the time period. So Matt was correct that his father could remove the pockets and it would be correct version, but not to the newest version.

[MattPHS2002]

The older blue service coat had the two lower pockets as patch pockets. It would have been easy to remove those to look like ther service coat that followed that. Removing the patch pockets would cause the service coat to look like the current version for the time period. So Matt was correct that his father could remove the pockets and it would be correct version, but not to the newest version.

I've said just prior that this was the case.

[CAPLAW]

ok Matt! your right all of us were wrong. :clap:

[MattPHS2002]

I was just telling Bill that. I may not have the best attitude about the program I can admit that but for the most part I enjoy what I do.

[CAP428]

I don't know why this was such a big deal.  After all, the old style with the pockets rippedoff wouldn't look too bad, right??



who could tell the difference??

[CAPLAW]

If I was the owner of Vanguard, I would hire you and make a killing selling these modified service coats$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Psicorp]

I don't know why this was such a big deal.  After all, the old style with the pockets rippedoff wouldn't look too bad, right??

who could tell the difference??

Umm...the left one is missing the glass of vodka tonic?  Wait a sec...they're both underage...that better be plain cider!

But yeah... *cringe*  especially if the fabric where the pockets were is a tad different shade.  I think my first reaction would be, "oh hell no he didn't!!"

[CAP428]

Umm...the left one is missing the glass of vodka tonic?  Wait a sec...they're both underage...that better be plain cider!

hahaha.....or just grog bowl contents.

[JohnKachenmeister]

You know, service caps cost a lot.  Can I use a pie plate and stretch my flight cap over it to make a service cap?  I can use a piece of cardboard cut to shape and colored black with shoe polish to make the visor, and I can paint the "Farts and darts" on with white-out.

What do you all think about that?

[SJFedor]

Make two, one for you, and one to go with the jacked up service coat.

[SarDragon]

You know, service caps cost a lot.  Can I use a pie plate and stretch my flight cap over it to make a service cap?  I can use a piece of cardboard cut to shape and colored black with shoe polish to make the visor, and I can paint the "Farts and darts" on with white-out.

What do you all think about that?

Nah, man, you gotta use a silver Sharpie for the farts and darts.

[CAP428]

Wait, you mean this??



Way ahead of you Major.  Production starts tomorrow!

Oh, and I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of affixing the cap to the plate with duct tape.  I hope that's not too much of a violation of regulations.....oh, wait, I forgot!  We told the regs to go to H*** back with that service coat!!!


[And yes, I know.  I have too much time on my hands and not enough legit reasons to use Microsoft Paint.]

[MIKE]

Specialty badge is way too low.

[CAP428]

Specialty badge is way too low.

Well, I would go tell him what's what but the problem is...it's a generic photo.  I have no idea who it is.  Sorry for the bad pic choice.  Perhaps you can go hunt him down.

[SJFedor]

Wait, you mean this??



Way ahead of you Major.  Production starts tomorrow!

Oh, and I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of affixing the cap to the plate with duct tape.  I hope that's not too much of a violation of regulations.....oh, wait, I forgot!  We told the regs to go to H*** back with that service coat!!!


[And yes, I know.  I have too much time on my hands and not enough legit reasons to use Microsoft Paint.]

That looks more like the Cadet officer insignia on that hat.

I want one.

[CAP428]

I want one.

Allrighty, here's the deelio:  Go to www.civilairpatrolstore.com, find it on line, click "order", follow the instructions.  Pay a large sum for the hat itself, an outrageous fee for shipping, then wait a few months and hope that it somehow floats to your house as if by magic. 

And who said running Vanguard's CAP operation was so difficult?

[SJFedor]

REDACTED: Yeah, that may have been a tad extreme.

I don't expect the new hat to be available from vanguard for a while. Still waiting on them putting up the SFO embroidered grade online.

[MIKE]

Was that really necessary?

[DNall]

  Yep, you guys still got it. Anybody want a slightly used keyboard? Just needs cleaning.

I gotta be out at Sq tmrw & we got tons of old style service coats, I'm almost tempted to find a damaged one one & take the pockets off, put my rack & junk on, snap some pix just for a VA - almost.

[shorning]

Ding, fries are done. What's the next topic?