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 91 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:48:30 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by grunt82abn
Maybe we should do away with all senior member rank! No Officers, no NCOís, just senior members serving for the betterment of the organization, system to better serve its goals. Senior members would just be that, unless you were a CC, then that would be the only rank that you would hold. Give SM rates of duty position titles like Emergency Services officer, Logistics officer for those that head up those areas and keep the technician, senior,  and master to show your area of skill and knowledge (for lack of a better word). This would allow us to focus on the mission at hand versus how much rank we have or the arguments of why this group is this way or why that groups gets this and we donít. It would also keep those out there who like to threaten, bully and badger other senior members because they think their rank actually entitles them to belittle those who are supposedly beneath them. Just a thought!


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We have a nearly 80 year history as a proud part of the Air Force family. The ranks and uniforms help us honor that past and realize the reality of today's USAF assigned missions.  I could not disagree more with your idea. OTOH if you do not want to use your rank, you can wear corporate uniforms and simply "do the job" (and I have no doubt you do!) But getting rid of SM ranks would be a mistake in my opinion. YMMV.

I get the history, donít understand how it helps us realize the reality of todayís mission. Commanders intent and the mission statement make that clear, what we wear doesnít. I work for the US Navy as a civilian, donít wear the Navy uniform, but have a clear understanding of the reality of the assigned DoD mission. Again it was me thinking out load.


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 92 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:33:39 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by Cicero
What is the long term intent and strategy for the CAP NCO program?

The long term intent and strategy of the CAP NCO program is to be one of the three discussion missions of CAPTalk... The others being cadet programs and uniforms. YMMV ;D
:)

But never politics!

 93 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:31:50 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by FW
What is the long term intent and strategy for the CAP NCO program?

The long term intent and strategy of the CAP NCO program is to be one of the three discussion missions of CAPTalk... The others being cadet programs and uniforms. YMMV ;D

 94 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:26:46 PM 
Started by Second_In_Command - Last post by abdsp51
A Testing Officer can download a copy of the Wright Bros. exam for one-time use. Go to eServices --> Cadet Online Testing --> Milestone Tests --> Download Quiz --> Select Quiz (from dropdown menu). This includes the answer key, so be sure to separate the last page before handing it to the cadet!

CAPR 40-2 requires that hard copy tests be logged and regularly inventoried. It mentions downloading, administering and destroying achievement and milestone tests, but does not say anything about logging those transactions. I think it prudent to log these downloaded tests, when they were administered and when they were destroyed.

With milestones with the exception of the Spaatz exam being online there is no longer a need for a unit to maintain hard copies of any tests.

 95 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:25:21 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by Cicero
Maybe we should do away with all senior member rank! No Officers, no NCOís, just senior members serving for the betterment of the organization, system to better serve its goals. Senior members would just be that, unless you were a CC, then that would be the only rank that you would hold. Give SM rates of duty position titles like Emergency Services officer, Logistics officer for those that head up those areas and keep the technician, senior,  and master to show your area of skill and knowledge (for lack of a better word). This would allow us to focus on the mission at hand versus how much rank we have or the arguments of why this group is this way or why that groups gets this and we donít. It would also keep those out there who like to threaten, bully and badger other senior members because they think their rank actually entitles them to belittle those who are supposedly beneath them. Just a thought!


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We have a nearly 80 year history as a proud part of the Air Force family. The ranks and uniforms help us honor that past and realize the reality of today's USAF assigned missions.  I could not disagree more with your idea. OTOH if you do not want to use your rank, you can wear corporate uniforms and simply "do the job" (and I have no doubt you do!) But getting rid of SM ranks would be a mistake in my opinion. YMMV.

 96 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:16:50 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by grunt82abn
Maybe we should do away with all senior member rank! No Officers, no NCOís, just senior members serving for the betterment of the organization, system to better serve its goals. Senior members would just be that, unless you were a CC, then that would be the only rank that you would hold. Give SM rates of duty position titles like Emergency Services officer, Logistics officer for those that head up those areas and keep the technician, senior,  and master to show your area of skill and knowledge (for lack of a better word). This would allow us to focus on the mission at hand versus how much rank we have or the arguments of why this group is this way or why that groups gets this and we donít. It would also keep those out there who like to threaten, bully and badger other senior members because they think their rank actually entitles them to belittle those who are supposedly beneath them. Just a thought!


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 97 
 on: February 19, 2018, 07:05:46 PM 
Started by Second_In_Command - Last post by AdAstra
A Testing Officer can download a copy of the Wright Bros. exam for one-time use. Go to eServices --> Cadet Online Testing --> Milestone Tests --> Download Quiz --> Select Quiz (from dropdown menu). This includes the answer key, so be sure to separate the last page before handing it to the cadet!

CAPR 40-2 requires that hard copy tests be logged and regularly inventoried. It mentions downloading, administering and destroying achievement and milestone tests, but does not say anything about logging those transactions. I think it prudent to log these downloaded tests, when they were administered and when they were destroyed.

 98 
 on: February 19, 2018, 06:57:49 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by abdsp51
Drifting mildly back on to the topic..... a question. If a CAP Lt Col, Level V, who is an honorably discharged E-5 veteran, wanted to convert to NCO status, what would be his or her NCO grade in CAP? Would they remain at E-5 upon entry or would a higher NCO grade be granted?

E-5 is what you would start out as but then you could move up E-6 through 9 with in cap

Wrong.

Yes and no.... yes they would normally stay as an SSgt when they switch to the enlisted ranks however there is, until the 28th a "recruiting" drive for CAP Officers who were RM NCOs to go over to the enlisted side. So the Lt Col who was an E-5 could possibly be granted SMSgt or MSgt.

Disagree.  NHQ would be off their rocker to screw over long term committed members to make them start at the bottom again especially if they are transitioning over from FGO.  Otherwise there would be no incentive for them to switch.  And one of the key items now of the NCO program grants them the opportunity to promote in CAP even if they don't promote in the military or left at a particular grade.

 99 
 on: February 19, 2018, 06:57:13 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by Cicero
Drifting mildly back on to the topic..... a question. If a CAP Lt Col, Level V, who is an honorably discharged E-5 veteran, wanted to convert to NCO status, what would be his or her NCO grade in CAP? Would they remain at E-5 upon entry or would a higher NCO grade be granted?

E-5 is what you would start out as but then you could move up E-6 through 9 with in cap

Wrong.

Yes and no.... yes they would normally stay as an SSgt when they switch to the enlisted ranks however there is, until the 28th a "recruiting" drive for CAP Officers who were RM NCOs to go over to the enlisted side. So the Lt Col who was an E-5 could possibly be granted SMSgt or MSgt.
What is the long term intent and strategy for the CAP NCO program?

 100 
 on: February 19, 2018, 06:51:46 PM 
Started by Falling Hare - Last post by Ozzy
Drifting mildly back on to the topic..... a question. If a CAP Lt Col, Level V, who is an honorably discharged E-5 veteran, wanted to convert to NCO status, what would be his or her NCO grade in CAP? Would they remain at E-5 upon entry or would a higher NCO grade be granted?

E-5 is what you would start out as but then you could move up E-6 through 9 with in cap

Wrong.

Yes and no.... yes they would normally stay as an SSgt when they switch to the enlisted ranks however there is, until the 28th a "recruiting" drive for CAP Officers who were RM NCOs to go over to the enlisted side. So the Lt Col who was an E-5 could possibly be granted SMSgt or MSgt.

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