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Title: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: OldGuy on November 16, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Oregon
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16079/airliners-and-f-15s-involved-in-bizzare-encounter-with-mystery-aircraft-over-oregon
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: capmaj on November 16, 2017, 05:10:30 PM
CN-235-300.
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: NIN on November 17, 2017, 04:06:08 AM
That's the airplane in the picture. Not the airplane sought.

The -235 doesn't do 750kts at FL390



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Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: PHall on November 17, 2017, 05:52:40 AM
Quote from: NIN on November 17, 2017, 04:06:08 AM
That's the airplane in the picture. Not the airplane sought.

The -235 doesn't do 750kts at FL390



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No, but a Tu-160 can...
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: NIN on November 17, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 17, 2017, 05:52:40 AM
No, but a Tu-160 can...

But a Tu-160 wasn't pictured in the article, Phil. Which was what I was saying.

TWM used a pic of a CN-235 on the article. An airplane not capable of the speeds and maneuvers described in the article.

Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: PHall on November 17, 2017, 04:18:02 PM
Quote from: NIN on November 17, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 17, 2017, 05:52:40 AM
No, but a Tu-160 can...

But a Tu-160 wasn't pictured in the article, Phil. Which was what I was saying.

TWM used a pic of a CN-235 on the article. An airplane not capable of the speeds and maneuvers described in the article.


Hey, what do you want from a hack "news" site who's main function is to feed conspiracy theorists fantasies?
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: NIN on November 17, 2017, 04:48:32 PM
Tyler Rogoway's work generally isn't bad.  I followed him when he was writing for Foxtrot Alpha over at Jalopnik.  His work is pretty good on the whole, generally well researched and, apart from obvious glaring "I'm a civilian, I don't get that" stuff about the military, pretty readable.

That said, TWZ (not TWM, as I previously said) can be uneven with some of the *other* writers.
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: PHall on November 17, 2017, 07:44:21 PM
The guy who said it was a Navy E-6B Mercury is probably on to something. It can fly at FL390.
Of course 6 years on the EC-135C may bias me just a bit... >:D
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: NIN on November 17, 2017, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 17, 2017, 07:44:21 PM
The guy who said it was a Navy E-6B Mercury is probably on to something. It can fly at FL390.
Of course 6 years on the EC-135C may bias me just a bit... >:D
Phil,  you're on crack.  An E-6B can't make 750+ kts, even in a dive.
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: PHall on November 17, 2017, 09:30:55 PM
Quote from: NIN on November 17, 2017, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: PHall on November 17, 2017, 07:44:21 PM
The guy who said it was a Navy E-6B Mercury is probably on to something. It can fly at FL390.
Of course 6 years on the EC-135C may bias me just a bit... >:D
Phil,  you're on crack.  An E-6B can't make 750+ kts, even in a dive.

750 kts Gnd Spd at FL390 is not hard to do at all. Especially at this time of year when the Jet Stream is down in the OR/WA area.
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: CAPLTC on November 18, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
How many airworthy Blackjacks do the Russians have left? 16 or 18? OR rate of 30% if they are lucky.
I'd wager you the mortgage money that was not a Blackjack.

Quote from: PHall on November 17, 2017, 05:52:40 AM
No, but a Tu-160 can...
Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: Spam on November 19, 2017, 01:47:30 AM

More than you would think, and of better quality than you'd suspect.
https://theaviationist.com/2015/11/17/russian-mod-video-shows-tu-160-tu-95-and-tu-22-bombers-with-su-27-escort-bomb-isis-in-syria/ (https://theaviationist.com/2015/11/17/russian-mod-video-shows-tu-160-tu-95-and-tu-22-bombers-with-su-27-escort-bomb-isis-in-syria/)


Dalnaya Aviatsia has even been modernizing slowly:
https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/16/russia-unveils-new-tu-160m2-strategic-super-bomber-update/ (https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/16/russia-unveils-new-tu-160m2-strategic-super-bomber-update/)
They got 100 percent hits, too.. all their ordnance hit the ground successfully (grin).


No, the vast odds are that none of these were the aircraft in question, though.


V/r
Spam

Title: Re: Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore
Post by: CAPLTC on November 19, 2017, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Spam on November 19, 2017, 01:47:30 AM
More than you would think, and of better quality than you'd suspect.
https://theaviationist.com/2015/11/17/russian-mod-video-shows-tu-160-tu-95-and-tu-22-bombers-with-su-27-escort-bomb-isis-in-syria/ (https://theaviationist.com/2015/11/17/russian-mod-video-shows-tu-160-tu-95-and-tu-22-bombers-with-su-27-escort-bomb-isis-in-syria/)
Dalnaya Aviatsia has even been modernizing slowly:
https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/16/russia-unveils-new-tu-160m2-strategic-super-bomber-update/ (https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/16/russia-unveils-new-tu-160m2-strategic-super-bomber-update/)
They got 100 percent hits, too.. all their ordnance hit the ground successfully (grin).
No, the vast odds are that none of these were the aircraft in question, though.
V/r
Spam

Good pull!
Article said 5x Blackjacks...
I swagg'd 30% OR rate out of 18? Pretty close brother.