Where are the black boots?

[Fubar]

Doesn't the request have to go all the way up to the SECAF? I would expect that will take awhile. Since the secretary spoke at the recent national conference, at least we know the secretary knows what CAP is.

[TheSkyHornet]

A senior official attending a CAP event often promotes this idea that big changes will come with rapid movement and support from on-high. Seldom does this seem to actually be the case.

A process is a process is a process.

[PHall]

Personally I'm just happy they actually made the request so that we can get an answer one way or the other.

[CAPJOE]

Not to open up a new can of worms here, but has there been any discussion as to if/when OCPs will be authorized?

Per the Pacific Region Commander, the request has been made and we're waiting on the response from the Air Force.

Gen Phelka was at our NDWG Conference in May. I was told by my Group Commander, at that time, that Gen Phelka was asked about the black boots. I was told that the General said that we will have black boots for the foreseeable future and OCP's are 3-5 years out.

[SierraOneThree]

Gen Phelka was at our NDWG Conference in May. I was told by my Group Commander, at that time, that Gen Phelka was asked about the black boots. I was told that the General said that we will have black boots for the foreseeable future and OCP's are 3-5 years out.

The OCP info is very much out of date by this point, and the boots.....well, there is a LOT of push by groups with a decent amount of weight at the National level to get rid of the black boots.

Not the NUC though. Fortunately the NUC is merely an advisory board.

[Paul Creed III]

For me, a single pair of well-maintained black boots serves me while in my flight suit, ABUs, or polo; and, if I were so inclined, technically blues as well. That's a nice bit of financial utility. If OCPs introduce a color other than black and the other uniform combos don't have that new color as an option, that may be a sticking point for folks.

I retire in 3 years, so I am not really going to worry about it. Even if OCPs were authorized today, the transition phase should get me to retirement with my current set of unforms.

[Shuman 14]

This is why I say authorize coyote and black boots with CAP's USAF-style uniforms. The USAF has already directed that coyote boots are the only boots to be worn with their FDU and coyote is what USAF, USSF and US Army are wearing with OCPs.

If you authorize both, those that have black are good for pretty much everything as Lt Col Creed already pointed out... but those who already possess, or would be so inclined to buy coyote, are good too.

You could also authorize coyote boots with corporate uniforms as well but where coyote with BBDUs and CFDU might not look too awful (yes, they would  ), they would look hideous with grey tac pants and a blue polo.

[CadetCarter]

Go to vanguardmil.gov

[Paul Creed III]

Go to vanguardmil.gov

FTFY: https://www.vanguardmil.com/

[SierraOneThree]

This is why I say authorize coyote and black boots with CAP's USAF-style uniforms. The USAF has already directed that coyote boots are the only boots to be worn with their FDU and coyote is what USAF, USSF and US Army are wearing with OCPs.

I was in a group setting in the past two months where someone asked the NUC chair why this wasn't a consideration, and his response was that "it wouldn't be uniform."

Now, this was also from the same gentlemen who later in the same conversation responded to the issue of black boot availability with the reasoning that the Navy still issues black boots, whilst completely glossing over the fact that the Navy authorizes both black and brown boots with NWUs. And, you know, every branch of the military issues brown boots in some capacity or other while only the Navy still issues black boots on a wide scale.

And I can't be the only person sick of the argument that "you can't shine brown boots the same as black!"

[Shuman 14]

And I can't be the only person sick of the argument that "you can't shine brown boots the same as black!"

Amen Brother, AMEN!