Maybe a very obvious question, but I want to make sure nevertheless:
When using the EZ Rack builder for ribbons, I am assuming ribbons are automatically sorted and placed on the racks by the software. The question I have is this: Once all ribbons have been added to the software and an image is created, do I simply add ribbons per the image and stick the racks on my shirt without worrying which side of the image should face left and which side right? Whatever is left side of the image is left side of my shirt when the shirt lays flat with the buttons facing up?
The image is what you will see with the ribbons on the shirt. You just need to make sure the rack is right side up.
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Question, do you have any awards or decorations from your time in the South African Forces? I'm just being nosey. The only South African I ever met was a young lady who was an exchange student in High School way back in 1988-89 and haven't talked to her since.
Also, never served with any South Africans in the many Joint and/or International Missions over my many years of Service so I'm professionally curious.
I do have a "Pro Patria" medal. We were given these for being in combat on the Angola/Namibia border, protecting Namibia (then South West Africa) from insurgents from Angola, killing locals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Patria_Medal_(South_Africa)
I saw the pinned post above and saw that the most important ribbon always faces the wearer's right side. Because we wear ribbons on the left side, an easy way to think about this is to arrange the ribbons exactly as in the rack builder image, lay your shirt flat with button side facing up, and simply pin the rack to match the image above the left pocket. Whatever is left on the image, is left on the shirt. No need to flip anything around. This way your most important ribbon will face your right.
A CAP rack with a SADF Pro Patria mixed in for good measure. Def a one of a kind!
Quote from: GroundHawg on December 09, 2022, 05:28:37 PMA CAP rack with a SADF Pro Patria mixed in for good measure. Def a one of a kind!
I make the assumption, too, that he would be authorized to wear it. As a foreign decoration it would go after all CAP awards. Indeed, one of a kind.
Quote from: Shuman 14 on December 09, 2022, 07:52:44 PMQuote from: GroundHawg on December 09, 2022, 05:28:37 PMA CAP rack with a SADF Pro Patria mixed in for good measure. Def a one of a kind!
I make the assumption, too, that he would be authorized to wear it. As a foreign decoration it would go after all CAP awards. Indeed, one of a kind.
After you get approval from CAP/DP. Per CAPR 39-1, 3 March 2020, Para 11.2.6
Quote from: PHall on December 09, 2022, 11:02:26 PMQuote from: Shuman 14 on December 09, 2022, 07:52:44 PMQuote from: GroundHawg on December 09, 2022, 05:28:37 PMA CAP rack with a SADF Pro Patria mixed in for good measure. Def a one of a kind!
I make the assumption, too, that he would be authorized to wear it. As a foreign decoration it would go after all CAP awards. Indeed, one of a kind.
After you get approval from CAP/DP. Per CAPR 39-1, 3 March 2020, Para 11.2.6
Never really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
Quote from: GroundHawg on December 12, 2022, 01:59:12 PMNever really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
I would think so and using the DD-214 and/or NGB-22 would your supporting documentation, besides the Foreign Certificate itself.
Quote from: GroundHawg on December 12, 2022, 01:59:12 PMNever really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
I don't wear military ribbons on my CAP uniforms, but if I did, I don't think I'd feel compelled to ask permission from NHQ to wear what I've been formally awarded.
However, if for some reason someone had a question on my military awards, I'd be willing to provide official proof.
Quote from: Stonewall on January 19, 2023, 09:11:25 PMQuote from: GroundHawg on December 12, 2022, 01:59:12 PMNever really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
I don't wear military ribbons on my CAP uniforms, but if I did, I don't think I'd feel compelled to ask permission from NHQ to wear what I've been formally awarded.
However, I'd for some reason someone had a question on my military awards, I'd be willing to provide official proof.
You probably don't wear your military and CAP ribbons together for the same reason I don't, I would look like a Russian General! I have 21 "Federal" military ribbons that I can wear plus 4 "State" ribbons that I can't wear on a CAP uniform plus 17 CAP ribbons. I'm only 5'7", I don't have enough real estate to wear 38 ribbons plus wings.
Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2023, 09:51:05 PMYou probably don't wear your military and CAP ribbons together for the same reason I don't, I would look like a Russian General! I have 21 "Federal" military ribbons that I can wear plus 4 "State" ribbons that I can't wear on a CAP uniform plus 17 CAP ribbons. I'm only 5'7", I don't have enough real estate to wear 38 ribbons plus wings.
All due respect, sir, as a former JROTC/CAP cadet,
that's quitter talk.;D
Going SM, being unable to enlist due to hearing loss, and losing all those cadet-only ribbons (and medals. So many JROTC medals) cured me of my cadet affliction, however. LOL
Quote from: PHall on January 19, 2023, 09:51:05 PMI'm only 5'7", I don't have enough real estate to wear 38 ribbons plus wings.
I have met Phil in person: can confirm he is easily Ewok sized. He would look redonkulous with 38 ribbons. Even with 4 across. Or maybe even MORE redonkulous 4 across.
Quote from: Shuman 14 on December 12, 2022, 08:36:41 PMQuote from: GroundHawg on December 12, 2022, 01:59:12 PMNever really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
I would think so and using the DD-214 and/or NGB-22 would your supporting documentation, besides the Foreign Certificate itself.
In the next to the last decade of the last century, many of the seniors who were my leaders wore at least oen "foreign decoration" at the bottom of their ribbon racks pretty universally.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0642/7853/products/546_ARRVCMR_b5aaf8f8-d304-41cd-bb22-9940fa982811_1024x1024.jpg)
Quote from: NIN on January 21, 2023, 07:42:07 PMQuote from: PHall on January 19, 2023, 09:51:05 PMI'm only 5'7", I don't have enough real estate to wear 38 ribbons plus wings.
I have met Phil in person: can confirm he is easily Ewok sized. He would look redonkulous with 38 ribbons. Even with 4 across. Or maybe even MORE redonkulous 4 across.
Maybe we need a ribbon that says "Continued on reverse." ;)
Quote from: NIN on January 21, 2023, 07:54:12 PMQuote from: Shuman 14 on December 12, 2022, 08:36:41 PMQuote from: GroundHawg on December 12, 2022, 01:59:12 PMNever really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
I would think so and using the DD-214 and/or NGB-22 would your supporting documentation, besides the Foreign Certificate itself.
In the next to the last decade of the last century, many of the seniors who were my leaders wore at least oen "foreign decoration" at the bottom of their ribbon racks pretty universally.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0642/7853/products/546_ARRVCMR_b5aaf8f8-d304-41cd-bb22-9940fa982811_1024x1024.jpg)
These days you usually see the Kuwait Liberation Medals.
I played with some graphics after updating my CAP ribbon rack between CAP (27), AD Navy, Res Navy, Georgia ANG, SDF, and CGA, it was a bit much even for a graphic just to see what it looked like.
Quote from: NIN on January 21, 2023, 07:54:12 PMQuote from: Shuman 14 on December 12, 2022, 08:36:41 PMQuote from: GroundHawg on December 12, 2022, 01:59:12 PMNever really gave this much thought until just now, but do those of us that have foreign awards and decs that are listed on our DD214 or NGB22 still have to submit for CAP/DP approval?
I guess by letter of the law, I should?
I would think so and using the DD-214 and/or NGB-22 would your supporting documentation, besides the Foreign Certificate itself.
In the next to the last decade of the last century, many of the seniors who were my leaders wore at least oen "foreign decoration" at the bottom of their ribbon racks pretty universally.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0642/7853/products/546_ARRVCMR_b5aaf8f8-d304-41cd-bb22-9940fa982811_1024x1024.jpg)
Don't forget this one, almost equally abundant:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Vietnam_gallantry_cross-w-palm-3d.svg/186px-Vietnam_gallantry_cross-w-palm-3d.svg.png)
I think you mean the Unit Citation, not the Individual medal itself.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallantry_Cross_(South_Vietnam)#/media/File:Vietnam_gallantry_cross_unit_award-3d.svg)
Gallantry Cross RVN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallantry_Cross_(South_Vietnam)#:~:text=Known%20as%20the%20Vietnam%20Gallantry%20Cross%20Unit%20Citation,9%E2%81%8416%20inch%20bronze%20palm%20and%20a%20gold%20frame.)
QuoteUnit award
The Unit Citation Emblem of the colors of the Gallantry Cross is awarded to personnel in the South Vietnamese military and Allied military units that have been cited and presented a decoration which is prescribed to be awarded on a collective basis.
Known as the Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation with Palm (Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross with Palm and Frame Unit Citation), the Unit Citation Emblem in the colors of the Gallantry Cross with Palm, was created on January 20, 1968 and was issued with the Gallantry Cross ribbon bar with a 5⁄32 by 9⁄16 inch bronze palm and a gold frame. The former South Vietnamese military awarded the Gallantry Cross to specific military units that distinguished themselves to the same level as would be required for the individual award. Regulations for the issuance of the Vietnam Gallantry Cross permit the wearing of both the individual and unit award simultaneously since both are considered separate awards. The Gallantry Cross was awarded to every Allied nation which provided support to South Vietnam. The Gallantry Cross became the most commonly awarded Vietnamese decoration to foreigners, second only to the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal.