FO, TFO, SFO, and SM

[SARDOC]

But what would a Senior Member wear, who's over the age of 21, before receiving 2LT (for that 6 month period)?

Since then, misinformed commanders have been telling new members they should wear blank epaulet sleeves until they attain
a CAP grade appointment.

SMWOG do not wear anything on their epaulets - that's why they wear the cutouts on their collars (blues).

[Майор Хаткевич]

OK.

I see that.

But what would a Senior Member wear, who's over the age of 21, before receiving 2LT (for that 6 month period)?

SMWOG do not wear anything on their epaulets - that's why they wear the cutouts on their collars (blues).

[Майор Хаткевич]

Bah, you're not a SM until you get the butter bars.

I never wore a butter bar...:/

[DarthAggie]

Is there a pic of these cutouts...?

[coudano]

you gotta search the right keywords at vanguard to get them to show up
http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-collar-device-cap-mirror-finish-p-7046.html

[Salty]

Bah, you're not a SM until you get the butter bars.

I never wore a butter bar...:/

Neither have I so far.

[Eclipse]

Is there a pic of these cutouts...?

http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-collar-device-cap-mirror-finish-p-7046.html

[SARDOC]

you gotta search the right keywords at vanguard to get them to show up
http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-collar-device-cap-mirror-finish-p-7046.html

Or this as the uniform dictates

http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-collar-insignia-cap-embroidered-p-7047.html

[RogueLeader]

Metal CAP cutouts on blues, white/greys, and embroidered CAP on BDUs and BBDUs.

[Spaceman3750]

Aaaand uniform thread

[SARDOC]

Aaaand uniform thread

Well in all fairness it is under the Uniform's and Awards heading.  Shouldn't really be surprised.

[Eclipse]

Metal CAP cutouts on blues, white/greys, and embroidered CAP on BDUs and BBDUs.

Cutouts are never worn on the white / grays.

[RogueLeader]

Opps, my bad.

[Sapper168]

Metal CAP cutouts on blues, white/greys, and embroidered CAP on BDUs and BBDUs.

Cutouts are never worn on the white / grays.

Both of Figure 4.2 and Table 6.1 in the 39-1 state that grade is displayed on the gray epaulet sleeve for the white aviator uniform. It doesnt differentiate for senior members without grade in any of the notes.  So the way i read this is that the grey sleeve without any embroidered rank, just the CAP letters, would be worn on the White Aviator shirt by a SM w/o Grade.

[SarDragon]

2. Grade Insignia: Gray CAP epaulet sleeves displaying grade insignia.

They have no grade; they don't need an epaulet sleeve.

Cadet and senior member officer grade insignia will be worn on those uniform items listed in Table 6-1.

A member designated as an SM is not an officer, and therefore needs no epaulet sleeve.

[adamblank]

My only issue in the whole FO business is that their grade is not noted on eServices.  To me that is unacceptable since all other grades to include SM NCOs are.

[Spaceman3750]

My only issue in the whole FO business is that their grade is not noted on eServices.  To me that is unacceptable since all other grades to include SM NCOs are.

Yeah, that's always bugged me too. Even C/Amn is tracked, which wasn't the case WIWAC.

[lordmonar]

Okay...now let's put another twist in this little debate.


Here is my take of CAP rank.

Cadets
SM (with out grade)
CAP NCOs
FO
TFO
SFO
2d Lt
1st Lt
Capt
Maj
Lt Col
Col
B Gen
M Gen

[SARDOC]

My only issue in the whole FO business is that their grade is not noted on eServices.  To me that is unacceptable since all other grades to include SM NCOs are.

I also agree.  I don't see what is so hard about adding another data entry field in eServices.  It would a great step in moving towards making all our records online.

[johnnyb47]

Okay...now let's put another twist in this little debate.


Here is my take of CAP rank.

Cadets
SM (with out grade)
CAP NCOs
FO
TFO
SFO
2d Lt
1st Lt
Capt
Maj
Lt Col
Col
B Gen
M Gen

When I first joined, though they called me sir or Senior Member Bowers (I actually preferred the latter at the time) I actually took a LOT of direction from cadets. I figured anyone who had put several years into the program, wore a uniform better than most AD Service Men or Women that I know and was polite and kind with their "suggestions" probably had a lot to teach me. That said I figured SMWOG ranked right up there with MAGGOT or CONSCIENTIOUS OBSERVER (see what I did there? heh) and I didn't say much other than "don't trip over that rock" for my first 6 months.

That is of course an opinion based partially on my lack of prior service. I just figured if I wanted the respect of the cadets later I needed to do my best to show them the respect they are due as early on as possible.