Golf Shirt - a better design?

[RiverAux]

Is it just me or is the CAP seal a poor choice for putting on our golf shirt?  The writing is so small that you have to get right in somebody's face to read it and the whole thing is just too "busy" for such a small format.

An obvious alternative would be the command patch which at least is simple and readable.  However, I'm not sure that the command patch style is really all that great on a golf shirt.

I think a better alternative would be the rounded symbol we're putting on the airplane doors now. 

Another option would be to just go with "Civil Air Patrol" in some sort of nice looking font. 

Thoughts?

[ammotrucker]

I agree the patch that is currently on the Golf shirt is busy.  the command patch looks cleaner and easier to read.

I know that this shirt is used as a alternative uniform for senior members, I have one when I first joined.  But lets get real.  It's a golf shirt, I do not see any reason I can't wear this shirt golfing if I so desire with pants that are not gray.  I have been yelled at by numerous people about it being a uniform and that you MUST wear it that way.

This is BS it's a golf shirt.

[ddelaney103]

I agree the patch that is currently on the Golf shirt is busy.  the command patch looks cleaner and easier to read.

I know that this shirt is used as a alternative uniform for senior members, I have one when I first joined.  But lets get real.  It's a golf shirt, I do not see any reason I can't wear this shirt golfing if I so desire with pants that are not gray.  I have been yelled at by numerous people about it being a uniform and that you MUST wear it that way.

This is BS it's a golf shirt.

Funny, we were encouraged at the Philadelphia Summer Board to wear the golf shirt around as a advert.

[MIKE]

I'd say use the MAJCOM patch... but it changes too frequently.  I also think the shirt should be standardized.  Whether you have you name and badge on it or not, the seal/shield/emblem should be on the same side... though I'd really prefer everyone at least have their name on it.

I like the CGAux Ops polo, but that design only really works with a pair of ODU trousers/shorts, but I'd rather wear those than the gray things.

[ammotrucker]

Funny, we were encouraged at the Philadelphia Summer Board to wear the golf shirt around as a advert.

I was growled at and yelled at by Officers of my group who happened to my squadron building while I was wearing this golf shirt and a pair of jeans.  I was told that it was not to be used for any purpose other then alternative uniform.

My stand is MY MONEY, GOLF SHIRT, I wear as I please but will refrain from ever wearing again to squadron not in correct uniform.

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[pixelwonk]

I'd say use the MAJCOM patch... but it changes too frequently.  I also think the shirt should be standardized.  Whether you have you name and badge on it or not, the seal/shield/emblem should be on the same side... though I'd really prefer everyone at least have their name on it.

I like the CGAux Ops polo, but that design only really works with a pair of ODU trousers/shorts, but I'd rather wear those than the gray things.

^yay.

As an aside, neither the seal, nor a command patch is good under the current method of manufacture.  The shirt is so thin it warps and curls inward where it's embroidered.
What I'd need to see before I'd ever wear it:
Thicker weight polo...
Contemporary collar...
command patch embroidered properly...
lose the pocket.  AFAIK, Robert Carradine isn't a member...

I just posted in a uniform thread. [darnit]!

[pixelwonk]

I was growled at and yelled at by Officers of my group who happened to my squadron building while I was wearing this golf shirt and a pair of jeans.  I was told that it was not to be used for any purpose other then alternative uniform.

My stand is MY MONEY, GOLF SHIRT, I wear as I please but will refrain from ever wearing again to squadron not in correct uniform.

You can take that stand if you want, but I'd bet you'd be standing alone. It is a uniform item and wearing jeans with it at a CAP function or facility sends the wrong message, whether you mean to or not.
...no disrespect meant.

[JohnKachenmeister]

I'd say use the MAJCOM patch... but it changes too frequently.  I also think the shirt should be standardized.  Whether you have you name and badge on it or not, the seal/shield/emblem should be on the same side... though I'd really prefer everyone at least have their name on it.

I like the CGAux Ops polo, but that design only really works with a pair of ODU trousers/shorts, but I'd rather wear those than the gray things.

^yay.

As an aside, neither the seal, nor a command patch is good under the current method of manufacture.  The shirt is so thin it warps and curls inward where it's embroidered.
What I'd need to see before I'd ever wear it:
Thicker weight polo...
Contemporary collar...
command patch embroidered properly...
lose the pocket.  AFAIK, Robert Carradine isn't a member...

I just posted in a uniform thread. [darnit]!

Oh yeah he is!

I'll bet EVERYBODY can tell a story about a guy that looks just like him, usually a captain, and usually wanting to do public affairs, even though he can't spell.

[Psicorp]

I was growled at and yelled at by Officers of my group who happened to my squadron building while I was wearing this golf shirt and a pair of jeans.  I was told that it was not to be used for any purpose other then alternative uniform.

My stand is MY MONEY, GOLF SHIRT, I wear as I please but will refrain from ever wearing again to squadron not in correct uniform.

You can take that stand if you want, but I'd bet you'd be standing alone. It is a uniform item and wearing jeans with it at a CAP function or facility sends the wrong message, whether you mean to or not.
...no disrespect meant.

And here I was thinking of ordering a golf shirt with just the seal or MajCom patch to wear when *gasp* playing golf.

[floridacyclist]

Actually, I would like to have a nice-looking polo shirt to wear with civillian clothes. The one I snagged in the recruiting giveaway was white and we know how long clothes stay white around children.

[ammotrucker]

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You can take that stand if you want, but I'd bet you'd be standing alone. It is a uniform item and wearing jeans with it at a CAP function or facility sends the wrong message, whether you mean to or not.
...no disrespect meant.

If it happened on a night of a meeting, or there was something that was suppose to be going on.  I agree with you.

This happened on a non-scheduled day when I stopped in to pick up a folder for ES about upcoming training.  No hurm was intended and I was not expecting anyone to be at the location.

[shorning]

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You can take that stand if you want, but I'd bet you'd be standing alone. It is a uniform item and wearing jeans with it at a CAP function or facility sends the wrong message, whether you mean to or not.
...no disrespect meant.

If it happened on a night of a meeting, or there was something that was suppose to be going on.  I agree with you.

This happened on a non-scheduled day when I stopped in to pick up a folder for ES about upcoming training.  No hurm was intended and I was not expecting anyone to be at the location.

Would you have done the same with a blues or BDU shirt (or their counterparts)? 

[brasda91]

If it happened on a night of a meeting, or there was something that was suppose to be going on.  I agree with you.

This happened on a non-scheduled day when I stopped in to pick up a folder for ES about upcoming training.  No harm was intended and I was not expecting anyone to be at the location.

I've done the same thing.  I've even worn it out to supper, just as an advertisement for CAP.

I have several fire dept. shirts just like it and when I wear my CAP polo, I put it in the same category as the fd shirts.  There are sooo many shirts in this day that have some type of logo or seal, that nobody is going to know that the polo is a "uniform" shirt.

[Ricochet13]

Well . . . . here's my two cents about the blue golf shirt.

When I wear it with grey pants, black shoes, and black belt, it's an authorized alternative CAP uniform.

When I wear it with anything else it is a nice looking golf shirt.

If and when I see the Earth stand still, I may view it differently.

I would however, like to see a better quality shirt, but $20 is hard to pass up.  All members of my squadron have one and when worn with grey pants, black shoes, and black belt, it is our squadron uniform of the day.

It actually has been a great recruiting tool.  Simple, inexpensive, and many other advantages which new members really like.

[JC004]

I'd say use the MAJCOM patch... but it changes too frequently.
...

I say just put all of them on the same shirt, just to be sure.

[star1151]

I honestly don't mind the seal.  It looks official, and when you're wearing a golf shirt, you need all the help you can get.

What I would like to see is a golf shirt of better quality and better sizing.  I buy size S from Vanguard and still have to have it altered because it's so big.  It's also pretty see through, which is probably fine for men, but....

And as for this....

My stand is MY MONEY, GOLF SHIRT, I wear as I please but will refrain from ever wearing again to squadron not in correct uniform.

How is it not considered a uniform item?  It's YOUR MONEY and your BDU's/flight suit as well, and I bet you wouldn't be grocery shopping or playing golf in either of those.

Edited for typo

[Nomex Maximus]

I want the golf shirt to have matching golf shorts. And the option for sandals with black nylon socks.

[pixelwonk]

I'm about to speak in generalities here.

scenario 1: You're at a CAP facility or function wearing the golf shirt/polo with jeans, shorts or anything_but_the_authorized_pants on.  Can you expect people to take issue with that?  I think that is a reasonable expectation.

scenario 2: You're wearing same as above.  You're golfing.  Or perhaps taking your friend to get some Sea Monkeys. Or maybe even shopping for cheese danishes and Sea Monkeys.
End result, nobody cares but OCD types on CAP Talk.  Nobody's bothered by it because they just want to buy their Chicken Pot Pie and Cheesy Poofs and get home to watch Ugly Betty.

If wearing big honkin CAP seals on your shirts on Casual Friday is just how you roll, then we apparently aren't going to change your mind with this thread.  Still, for your own sake, remember the impression you make upon others.  Your wardrobe choices may not get you kicked out of CAP, but that doesn't mean you won't look like a waterhead either.

[star1151]

End result, nobody cares but OCD types on CAP Talk. 

Tell that to my retired O-6 father who still grumbles about our former next door neighbor wearing Navy dress blues as a Halloween costume....I guess my point is, you never know WHO will see you.  Sure, it's just a golf shirt, but...

[stillamarine]

I'd say use the MAJCOM patch... but it changes too frequently.  I also think the shirt should be standardized.  Whether you have you name and badge on it or not, the seal/shield/emblem should be on the same side... though I'd really prefer everyone at least have their name on it.

I like the CGAux Ops polo, but that design only really works with a pair of ODU trousers/shorts, but I'd rather wear those than the gray things.

^yay.

As an aside, neither the seal, nor a command patch is good under the current method of manufacture.  The shirt is so thin it warps and curls inward where it's embroidered.
What I'd need to see before I'd ever wear it:
Thicker weight polo...
Contemporary collar...
command patch embroidered properly...
lose the pocket.  AFAIK, Robert Carradine isn't a member...

I just posted in a uniform thread. [darnit]!

Oh yeah he is!

I'll bet EVERYBODY can tell a story about a guy that looks just like him, usually a captain, and usually wanting to do public affairs, even though he can't spell.

Hey now!! How dare you post a picture of me!!! And besides I'm not a captain just a lowly 2nd LT!

[O-Rex]

Apart from the seal or shield, I would like to see something embroidered on the right side of the shirt that is in keeping with the finest traditions of the quality products offered by vanguard:

[Nomex Maximus]

...hehehe...golf shirt and a KILT...hehehe....

[O-Rex]

...hehehe...golf shirt and a KILT...hehehe....

Aye, easy therrr, laddie: lest I slay you with the dirk concealed in me sporran. . . . .

[RiverAux]

Officially the "golf" shirt (also referred to as the "knit" shirt in 39-1) is a CAP Summer Uniform.  So, there is no justification for wearing it at any non-CAP activity.  I wear a similar uniform shirt at work and I'm fairly sure I would get fired for being seen wearing it in all sorts of disreputable places.

Interestingly, the regs specify that it should have your name, aeronautical rating or specialty badge, but I regularly see them with just the seal.  

[Nomex Maximus]

Aye, easy therrr, laddie: lest I slay you with the dirk concealed in me sporran. . . . .

ah, but the smell of this week old hagus will stop you before you ever lift your kilt!

[star1151]

Officially the "golf" shirt (also referred to as the "knit" shirt in 39-1) is a CAP Summer Uniform.  So, there is no justification for wearing it at any non-CAP activity.  I wear a similar uniform shirt at work and I'm fairly sure I would get fired for being seen wearing it in all sorts of disreputable places.

Interestingly, the regs specify that it should have your name, aeronautical rating or specialty badge, but I regularly see them with just the seal. 

Not quite, at least the way I read it

"There are three golf shirts approved for wear. A dark blue knit shirt with
embroidered CAP seal on the right breast and embroidered name and
aeronautical rating or specialty badge on the left breast; a dark blue knit shirt
with embroidered seal on the right breast, without the name or rating on left
breast; and a dark blue knit shirt with the CAP seal screen printed in white
lettering on left breast."

It looks like you can wear the embroidered shirt with or without the name.  No?

Besides, if takes 7 weeks to get an unpersonalized shirt, how long would it take to get a personalized one?

[Short Field]

It took me less than two weeks the first time.  The last order was less than a week. 

Yea, everyone says I am just lucky...but those are the facts.

[RiverAux]

My bad star, I mistakenly looked at an outdated version of 39-1.  Sorry about that. 

[Fifinella]

Well, apparently a new Golf shirt has been approved, which will be made of a better fabric and will come in women's sizes too.  Stay tuned...

[floridacyclist]

It might not even be a bad idea for National to authorize wear of the Golf shirt with civillian clothes with the stipulation that it will not be considered a uniform unless the proper pants are worn.

[ddelaney103]

It might not even be a bad idea for National to authorize wear of the Golf shirt with civillian clothes with the stipulation that it will not be considered a uniform unless the proper pants are worn.

That makes sense and it's not like we couldn't use the extra visibility.

[Ricochet13]

It might not even be a bad idea for National to authorize wear of the Golf shirt with civillian clothes with the stipulation that it will not be considered a uniform unless the proper pants are worn.

Let's be careful about using common sense with this issue!  CAP-HNQ does that and what would we have to complain talk about? 

[ddelaney103]

If we are going to update the golf shirt, I'd probably go with a shirt color of gray or white: otherwise we'll have a blue embroidered command patch on a blue shirt.

[ammotrucker]

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If it happened on a night of a meeting, or there was something that was suppose to be going on.  I agree with you.

This happened on a non-scheduled day when I stopped in to pick up a folder for ES about upcoming training.  No hurm was intended and I was not expecting anyone to be at the location.

Would you have done the same with a blues or BDU shirt (or their counterparts)? 
[/quote]


So, I'm bad.  I had a complete set of BDU's and Flight suit in my day pack.  I was on the way home from work changed shirts and my gray pants were not there....for some unknown reason.  So you would have me walking into the squadron building looking like a grease monkey for the sake of proper uniform.  I'll give you that.

I maybe I should reevaluate what I do.  I should have drove the additional 34 miles home cleaned up and then drove the 64 mile round trip.  That makes sence to me.

Whiile on missions I would never knowingly be, not in proper unifrom.  While on missions.....

This is nothing more then pleasing the airport authority as to who I am and why I am there.  They is CAP going into the CAP building secuirty does not get alarmed as easily.  Sould they check yes by all means,

Again, I'm bad.  Won't happen again.

[mikeylikey]

It might not even be a bad idea for National to authorize wear of the Golf shirt with civilian clothes with the stipulation that it will not be considered a uniform unless the proper pants are worn.

agreed!  I like khaki dockers myself.  Lets get rid of the grey pants.

[jimmydeanno]

Possible alternative polo colors...

Light Blue (could be worn with AF blues pants...)
White (with blues pants again)
Confederate Gray

[star1151]

It might not even be a bad idea for National to authorize wear of the Golf shirt with civilian clothes with the stipulation that it will not be considered a uniform unless the proper pants are worn.

agreed!  I like khaki dockers myself.  Lets get rid of the grey pants.

Please, no!  Do you have any idea how hard is is to find women's khakis except in early spring?  No, no, no!!!  I'd actually be forced to wear an AF uniform.

[RiverAux]

light blue?  Too much chance of it being "baby blue".  I like the dark blue color -- dark colors are slimming you know....

[Major Carrales]

Honestly, if I owned a CAP golf shirt, I would never wear it as a CAP uniform.  It would rather be a "walking advertisement" that I might wear to school with some slacks...if at all.  I'm more of a button up kind of guy.

A golf shirt is a casual, sort of a FRIDAY thing.

Now, if CAP had a nice button up shirt with embroidery...I might wear that.

[desert rat]

Can you have medical officer badge or ground team badge on the shirt like the pilot wings?   I don't remember seeing that being availavle.

As to pants, I would rather see something casual like jeans and tennis shoes.  I don't see it as the formal uniform and think it would be great to treat it that way.   Is there an approved jacket to go with it?  In the winter people seem to wear whater they want over it.

[AlphaSigOU]

Can you have medical officer badge or ground team badge on the shirt like the pilot wings?   I don't remember seeing that being available.

Yes you can - it's not advertised online, at least through Vanguard.

[star1151]

Well, apparently a new Golf shirt has been approved, which will be made of a better fabric and will come in women's sizes too.  Stay tuned...

Do you have any other information on that?

[desert rat]

how do you order that?

[JohnKachenmeister]

Anytime you do anything with Vanguard, do it by phone.  Their website is one of the most dysfunctional ever. 

Yes, Vanguard can produce just about any badge on the golf shirt.  But I am reliably informed that they can only do 1 badge per shirt. 

Personally, I like the Golf Shirt uniform as a casual uniform.  Informal staff meetings, administrative flights, glider flights, etc.

[SarDragon]

Officially the "golf" shirt (also referred to as the "knit" shirt in 39-1) is a CAP Summer Uniform.  So, there is no justification for wearing it at any non-CAP activity.  I wear a similar uniform shirt at work and I'm fairly sure I would get fired for being seen wearing it in all sorts of disreputable places.

Interestingly, the regs specify that it should have your name, aeronautical rating or specialty badge, but I regularly see them with just the seal.  

The info from the reg:

Under the pictures:
NOTES: There are three knit shirts authorized for wear for men and women. They are:
1. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered CAP seal on the right breast and embroidered name and aeronautical rating or specialty badge on the left breast.
2. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered seal on the right breast, without the name or rating on left breast.
3. Dark blue knit shirt with the CAP seal screen-printed in white lettering on left breast.
4. CAP knit shirts are worn with gray trousers or slacks (see Table 4-4).

From the table:
There are three golf shirts approved for wear. A dark blue knit shirt with
embroidered CAP seal on the right breast and embroidered name and
aeronautical rating or specialty badge on the left breast; a dark blue knit shirt with embroidered seal on the right breast, without the name or rating on left breast; and a dark blue knit shirt with the CAP seal screen printed in white lettering on left breast. Shirt must be worn tucked in by men unless heat conditions on the flight line require additional air circulation. Women may wear the shirt out of slacks but shirt length must not fall below mid-hips.

Nowhere does it make any reference to a requirement for anything other than the seal.

[Dragoon]

I've always gone with the "don't mix uniform and civilian items." Philosophy.  But that phrase is no longer in the regs.

Ms. Susis Parker at national once told me that they encouraged the wear of the golf shirt with civilian attire as advertising.  This may have occured at the same Philly National Boards mentioned earlier.

That said, I still ain't gonna do it.  Any more than I'd wear my BDU jacket with insignia with jeans.

[SarDragon]

Vanguard also has "civilian" shirts available that you can wear to advertise CAP.

These can be found on the Leisure wear link. There are no pictures available yet, but of you have an olde 2005 CAPMart catalog, the pix are on pages 30-32. Colors incuide red, royal blue, navy blue, and black.

[Eclipse]

Vanguard also has "civilian" shirts available that you can wear to advertise CAP.

These can be found on the Leisure wear link. There are no pictures available yet, but of you have an olde 2005 CAPMart catalog, the pix are on pages 30-32. Colors incuide red, royal blue, navy blue, and black.

These are actually very nice, and are wholly appropriate for staff meetings, and similar activities, just don't wear them to missions or when participating with cadets.

[RiverAux]

Nowhere does it make any reference to a requirement for anything other than the seal.

catch up sardragon. Somebody already pointed that out and I already said that I had looked at an outdated reg prior to making the statement.

[SarDragon]

Eh, sue me. I was three days behind and missed a one-liner. I answer 'em when I see 'em, and once in a while someone beats me to the punch. Drive on.

[star1151]

Eh, sue me. I was three days behind and missed a one-liner. I answer 'em when I see 'em, and once in a while someone beats me to the punch. Drive on.

Let me assure you, it probably won't happen again!

[RiverAux]

Let me assure you, it probably won't happen again!

Me making a mistake?  You're probably right