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[Nomex Maximus]

Just got the email from wing : new command patch:

I have been in CAP less than eight months and have seen two different command patches put on our stuff.

[SDF_Specialist]

Another one? I know it's missing the CAP abbreviation, and that the full CIVIL AIR PATROL is on the scroll,  but I can't remember what was on the scroll before.

[SJFedor]

First, we had the CAP letters under the prop, and US AIR FORCE AUXILIARY on the scroll. Then, there was US where the CAP letters were, and CIVIL AIR PATROL on the scroll. Now, this.

[SarDragon]

Well, that's what the blue magic markers are for.

[Nomex Maximus]

It WAS US Air Force Auxiliary... then it changed to what I have now... and now it has change to something else so I have to buy yet another...

[SDF_Specialist]

So when does everyone think the uniform alterations will cease? We seem to have ourselves in a very expensive pattern. Something I'm not all about keeping up on.

[Tubacap]

How can we as members stop this from going through???  Enough is enough already with this patch!

[SDF_Specialist]

I don't think I've read anywhere in the regs that a petition can't be filed with NHQ.

[SJFedor]

i see no national ICL on the website, so i dunno...maybe that's just an altered picture w/ the US removed. Might still be the same one that was previously approved.

Speaking of, did the AF ever approve the 2nd command patch?

[RiverAux]

I actually didn't have any major problem with the command patch with US in it...I just didn't see it as an early step in the campaign to change the name of the organization.  I thought of it as a throwback to the WWII era CAP symbol. 

[MIKE]

Ditto.  There is nothing really wrong with the U.S. version, though having U.S. or CAP on the shield is a little off from a heraldic standpoint.  Removing it is a little more balanced and in line with the elements of the seal etc.

[CASH172]

All I have to say is come on two new patches in like less than a year. 

[Cecil DP]

I don't think I've read anywhere in the regs that a petition can't be filed with NHQ.

Any suggestions/recommendations for uniform changes go through channels up to National and the National Board for consideration (unless you're He who will not be named)

[Nomex Maximus]

All I have to say is come on two new patches in like less than a year. 

And all the money spent changing patches and airplane decals is money not being spent training and flying!

[JC004]

Uh...let's back up here.  I don't know that people were so offended to be "U.S" as to NOT be "Civil Air Patrol - U.S. Air Force Auxiliary."  National Board observers: let's be clear on this.  The "U.S" offended folk due to its implied secession from the Air Force part of things.

[RiverAux]

The "U.S" offended folk due to its implied secession from the Air Force part of things.

No, it was the fact that is wasn't the darned name of our organization that was the problem.  We are not the American Civil Air Patrol either and "American" would be just as wrong as putting "U.S." in front of Civil Air Patrol.  Most of us probably wouldn't have liked it if they had actually changed the name officially, but wouldn't have been quite so put out as the approval of something that violates the CAP Constitution itself. 

[Pylon]

If they are seriously thinking of implementing the fourth patch for the flight suit breast in under 5 years, I seriously will barf.

CAP Seal -> CAP/USAF Auxiliary Command Patch -> U.S. CAP Command Patch -> CAP Command Patch

Please, for the love of retention, knock it off.  If this is just somebody's joke.... not funny.  "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" as an organizational name was an issue, but at this point, I don't think we need to remove the detached "U.S." from the command patch.  If anything, reauthorize the old one, or both of the current designs but do not just make up yet another new design.   

[LtCol Hooligan]

Hey guys- not sure about this, but isn't that image the exact same ugly thing we stuck on our vans?  Honestly, I think we need to hang in there until we see formal correspondence coming from NHQ.  In all the US removal conversations going on, I have yet to see a formal policy letter from BG Amy and right now we are getting speculation handed down from a few people.  I definitely think we have a wild ride in front of us, but let's hang in there before grabbing the markers!!  That is a fugly patch if it is true!!

[Pylon]

Hey guys- not sure about this, but isn't that image the exact same ugly thing we stuck on our vans? 

Nope.  The second most recent command patch design, which was for the flight suits and the van decals, had the letters "U.S." in the blue field.  This most recent design (origins unknown?  anybody have any references on this?) shows the "U.S." being removed.

[Nomex Maximus]

If they are seriously thinking of implementing the fourth patch for the flight suit breast in under 5 years, I seriously will barf.

CAP Seal -> CAP/USAF Auxiliary Command Patch -> U.S. CAP Command Patch -> CAP Command Patch

Please, for the love of retention, knock it off.  If this is just somebody's joke.... not funny.  "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" as an organizational name was an issue, but at this point, I don't think we need to remove the detached "U.S." from the command patch.  If anything, reauthorize the old one, or both of the current designs but do not just make up yet another new design.   

Not a joke; this was in an email forwarded from my squadron commander from NHQ.