Russian Stealth Fighter

[Flying Pig]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584241,00.html?test=latestnews

Someones been looking at our designs. 

[Spike]

^ More likely, someone has been selling our designs.

Just the same stuff, different decade.  That is why the US is and always has been 10 to 15 years ahead of everyone else in Aerospace Science.  (that secret stuff, no one is supposed to know about).

 

[Gunner C]

It looks like an Su-27 cockpit bolted onto an F-22 fuselage.  By looking at the high angle photos, you can tell that the materials aren't of the same standard of ours.  The article noted that the engines are nothing new - might not be vectored thrust. Note the shiney surfaces - not composite.

The Russian aviation industry has seen better days. 

[NIN]

Look closely.

That's Langley's tail code. Unless the Russians are using our markings, thats an F-22.  Me thinks the photo editor got confused.  You think they're flight testing a Sukhoi where there are palm trees?

[Flying Pig]

That is an F22.  You need to look at the slideshow.  C'mon kid!

[Майор Хаткевич]

This 2007 image shows what is thought to be the Sukhoi T-50 fighter jet. Russia hopes the jet can challenge the U.S. F-22 Raptor.

Development of the so-called fifth-generation fighter has been veiled in secrecy and no images of it had been released before the maiden flight.

Oh FOX...Fair and Balanced able to contradict itself within it's own self!

[MikeD]

They are flying at least one Su-47, which is a super-maneuverable forward-swept wing design.  For sure, they are working on advanced fighter designs, and they won't be shy about selling them to countries we don't get along with so well (except maybe China).  Independent of this article, we do indeed have things to be worried about.

[TACP]

While similar, they have some major noticeable differences. Take a look at a pic of an F22 and compare. The intakes are different sizes and angles, as well as the engines being different distances apart. From a side view it also becomes very apparent that the cockpits are shaped different.

[wingnut55]

Russia's arms industry is in a shambles, they are buying French Naval ships, and cannot maintain what they have. Remember the old days the USSR was planning on using overwhelming numbers of aircraft to counter our technology edge. Yet don't count them out because lest we forget North Vietnam Air Space was hell for hundreds of our aircraft that got shot down by USSR/Russian hardware.

Stealth is not Stealth when new radar is invented that can find it and the B-2 and F117s where on British Radar screens as far back as the first Gulf war. It also seems Stealth technology has issues with water and the heat plume is still. . . HOT, real Hot, [darn] Hot.

Sidewinder fodder???

[Pumbaa]

Simple fact of the matter is Beloved Leader Chairman MaObama canceled the F-22. Only 3 or so more planes will be finished instead of the full run.  He has now canceled the Orion/Constellation program.  Our technological edge is at risk.

If you read the articles on the Russian jet, it is being built with the assistance of India.  This tells me that technology is being developed quickly by those who 5-10 years ago did not have the ability to do so. They are learning by leaps and bounds.

Schools in the US are not developing and graduating engineers as they did in the past.  We are graduating reality star wanna be's. Public schools are pushing out students that are so PC, and have so little math and science it is a crime.

It was just announced at the Lockheed facility I use to work at (yesterday) some of the folks that are taking voluntary layoff. Due to the presidential helicopter cancellation 800 lost their job, due to other defense funding issues another 1600 are losing their jobs (names will be announced in April)...right now they asked for volunteers... It is a high percentage of those with 30+ years of EW experience, who see the changes and decided to bail while they cold, leaving a very low number with EW experience.  It is going to take years to redevelop that brain trust and will be that much higher in difficulty due to the fewer numbers of American born engineering graduates. This loss of experience is going to slow down our technological ability.

Binghamton (NY) University which has a real good engineering program, is graduating more Chinese, Indian and Eastern European engineers than American born!

Another thing to consider as Beloved leader guts the military ala Carter, companies will do what they have to do to survive.  They will switch to a totally unrelated product/technology, leaving a large hole again.

Yeah Carter 2.0.. joyful.

[Fuzzy]

Gates killed the F-22. He was going to do it under the bush administration. There was only ever a slight hope that President Obama would revive the program.

I want the F-22 but its dead and gone, and nobody seems to care except USAF. We still got some F-22's though, which is more that any other country.

[JayT]

Simple fact of the matter is Beloved Leader Chairman MaObama canceled the F-22. Only 3 or so more planes will be finished instead of the full run.  He has now canceled the Orion/Constellation program.  Our technological edge is at risk.
If you read the articles on the Russian jet, it is being built with the assistance of India.  This tells me that technology is being developed quickly by those who 5-10 years ago did not have the ability to do so. They are learning by leaps and bounds.
Schools in the US are not developing and graduating engineers as they did in the past.  We are graduating reality star wanna be's. Public schools are pushing out students that are so PC, and have so little math and science it is a crime.
It was just announced at the Lockheed facility I use to work at (yesterday) some of the folks that are taking voluntary layoff. Due to the presidential helicopter cancellation 800 lost their job, due to other defense funding issues another 1600 are losing their jobs (names will be announced in April)...right now they asked for volunteers... It is a high percentage of those with 30+ years of EW experience, who see the changes and decided to bail while they cold, leaving a very low number with EW experience.  It is going to take years to redevelop that brain trust and will be that much higher in difficulty due to the fewer numbers of American born engineering graduates. This loss of experience is going to slow down our technological ability.
Binghamton (NY) University which has a real good engineering program, is graduating more Chinese, Indian and Eastern European engineers than American born!
Another thing to consider as Beloved leader guts the military ala Carter, companies will do what they have to do to survive.  They will switch to a totally unrelated product/technology, leaving a large hole again.
Yeah Carter 2.0.. joyful.

So it's okay for a uniformed member of the Air Force Auxiliary to refer to the Commander and Chief of US Forces as "Chairman Obama" now? Thanks for clearing up that important protocol question!

I hate to let some of you older  folks in on the secret, but my generation didn't create this world. If you want to figure out who's to blame for the 'Political Correctness (what does that have to do with building fighter planes again?) and the lack of a viable public education system (Oh! The free market is supposed to determine who gets a good education, right? Public education is socialism! I get it now), or  the fact that the US is graduating less and less science students each year (maybe that little ten year multi trillion dollar jaunt in the desert had something to do with a lack of money to it.....), look at yourselves in the mirror. You created this world; we have to pick up the pieces.

I go to Binghamton's much cooler sister school, Stony Brook, and I can tell you that the reason why there's so many foreign students in hard and soft sciences is that they want it more. However, many of them also love America for the chance they've been blessed with, and plan on repaying it back (can't trust those dirty oversea types through, right?)

The US military and Federal government would have more money available for R&D if there hadn't been a ten year long police action in Iraq. It's that simple. We have to live with the consequences of the previous Presidents actions for a long time now (more than likely, even longer then we should since the Republicans sole platform now is 'BLOCK ALL PROGRESS')

[Flying Pig]

Wow.  This thread took a dump because someone mislabled one of 5 photos?  Actually, its an AP story on the Fox website.

[Pumbaa]

That's Beloved Leader Chairman MaObama...  big difference.

And most of those "dirty oversea types" as you put it cannot work on U.S. classified military programs.  Most although appreciating the education go back home to use that education. Such as those Indians helping Russia build their stealth.

Interesting that the U.S. students.. 'don't want it."

[Strick]

That's Beloved Leader Chairman MaObama...  big difference.

And most of those "dirty oversea types" as you put it cannot work on U.S. classified military programs.  Most although appreciating the education go back home to use that education. Such as those Indians helping Russia build their stealth.

Interesting that the U.S. students.. 'don't want it."

We should not refer to the president as a Chairman................ You dont need to express your political views here.  There is a place and time for it(not on CAP TALK).   

[desertengineer1]

The photo is NOT an F-22..

Look again.  Open up two windows. 

This is the F-22:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-22_bomb.jpg

This is the AP Story photo:  http://www.foxnews.com/images/596144/3_21_450plane.jpg

Looks like a new SU-27 design to me.  Standard nose pitot ADC.  Longer fuselage aspect than the F-22.  And so on...

[Pumbaa]

Who's in uniform?  I posted that while sitting in my boxers! 

Sorry Strick... I will refer to him as just Beloved Leader.

So I lose my right to be critical of the president when I am NOT in uniform? 

Now back on topic....

Regardless if the photos are correct or not, the Russians are trying to gain back their technological/ numerical products lost after the fall of the USSR.  In this case with the help of India.  Most likely with the education of said nationals in the US.  The fact they are moving in this direction should be a concern.

[Strick]

Regardless if the photos are correct or not, the Russians are trying to gain back their technological/ numerical products lost after the fall of the USSR.  In this case with the help of India.  Most likely with the education of said nationals in the US.  The fact they are moving in this direction should be a concern.
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+ 1 :clap:

[raivo]

We should not refer to the president as a Chairman................ You dont need to express your political views here.  There is a place and time for it(not on CAP TALK).

I never have a problem with a calm, reasoned discussion on administration policy. (Differences of opinion contribute to better critical thinking, no?)

Tossing around politically charged personal attacks like "Beloved Leader Chairman MaObama" doesn't do anything for the discussion, it just incites flamewars.

[Flying Pig]

The photo is NOT an F-22..

Look again.  Open up two windows. 

This is the F-22:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-22_bomb.jpg

This is the AP Story photo:  http://www.foxnews.com/images/596144/3_21_450plane.jpg

Looks like a new SU-27 design to me.  Standard nose pitot ADC.  Longer fuselage aspect than the F-22.  And so on...

The photo with the palm trees in the bottom of the photo is an F-22. The other 4 are of the Russian thing-a-magigger...