AB 485. CAP: California Wing: employment leave. Passes Calif. House

[wingnut55]

California Wing CAP members Pushing bill for 15 days leave for CAP Missions.

Assembly Labor and Employment - 04/22/09
Motion: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Judiciary.
Ayes: 7, Noes: 0, Abstentions: 0

Assembly Judiciary - 04/27/09
Motion: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
Ayes: 9, Noes: 1, Abstentions: 0

Assembly Appropriations - 05/13/09
Motion: Do pass.
Ayes: 10, Noes: 4, Abstentions: 1

Assembly Floor - 05/26/09
Motion: AB 485 CARTER Assembly Third Reading
Ayes: 65, Noes: 8, Abstentions: 6


On to the CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE

[BrandonKea]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

[biomed441]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

Wouldn't that be nice.  Though with a bill like this, how would employers feel about hiring on a CAP member. In my case, I'm struggling to find work. If something like this passed in my state, I wonder how many jobs I would be "disqualifying" myself from because an employer doesn't want to pay for my play time.  Not saying I don't support the bill. I love the Idea and think CAP deserves it for the work we do.  Makes me wonder though.

[wuzafuzz]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

Let the states decide for themselves instead of shoving more big brother down everyone's throat.  Protections such as this are coming out in more and more states anyway, why duplicate or dilute it on a national scale?  It would be another matter if a national proposal only affects federal employers.

If your state doesn't have similar protections you might start a local campaign to make it happen.  What a fantastic opportunity to inform your legislators and the public of CAP's missions.

[davidsinn]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

It would be another matter if a national proposal only affects federal employers.

Most definitely needed. My current CC is TSA and is screwed because he works for the feds.

[BrandonKea]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

It would be another matter if a national proposal only affects federal employers.

Most definitely needed. My current CC is TSA and is screwed because he works for the feds.

If the state in which your CC is employed passed such a law, I would think that it wouldn't matter if he works for the feds or not, since the law is related to employees in the state, not by who employs them...

[davidsinn]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

It would be another matter if a national proposal only affects federal employers.

Most definitely needed. My current CC is TSA and is screwed because he works for the feds.

If the state in which your CC is employed passed such a law, I would think that it wouldn't matter if he works for the feds or not, since the law is related to employees in the state, not by who employs them...

Not true. We have one. Feds are exempt.

[BrandonKea]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

It would be another matter if a national proposal only affects federal employers.

Most definitely needed. My current CC is TSA and is screwed because he works for the feds.

If the state in which your CC is employed passed such a law, I would think that it wouldn't matter if he works for the feds or not, since the law is related to employees in the state, not by who employs them...

Not true. We have one. Feds are exempt.

Ah, weird...

[davidsinn]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

It would be another matter if a national proposal only affects federal employers.

Most definitely needed. My current CC is TSA and is screwed because he works for the feds.

If the state in which your CC is employed passed such a law, I would think that it wouldn't matter if he works for the feds or not, since the law is related to employees in the state, not by who employs them...

Not true. We have one. Feds are exempt.

Ah, weird...

Not really. Federal law trumps state. Especially in this case as TSA does fall under the commerce clause. I hate the concept of TSA with a passion but I have to acknowledge the fact that this is one place where the Feds have not overstepped their authority even though I think they have abused it.

[RADIOMAN015]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

Get Real   Being a member of CAP as well as being gainfully employed I really don't want ANY laws passed that require by employer to let me take off from work for CAP missions.   

EVERY CAP "adult" "mature" member should be able to sell their participation in CAP to their employer.  Frankly, IF you get too many laws about what an employer has to do for certain classes of people including CAP, IF you go job hunting regardless of what the law says you just might not get hired because of your status (and those that say lawsuit, etc, get real also ).  Remember employers expect their employees to be on the job daily  --  that's WHY YOU ARE HIRED & TRAINED in the first place!

I know companies that have had issues with operations staffing because of volunteer/on call firemen being at a fire.  Remember CAP isn't paying your salary and benefits, it's your employer.  Let the comments begin
RM

[EMT-83]

In this economy, I think the last thing businesses need to deal with is another unfunded government mandate.

A couple of weeks ago, a new law was passed in Connecticut which requires AEDs in all schools. They're currently debating a bill mandating paid sick time in the private sector. Both great ideas, but the costs are to be borne by those already in financial trouble.

I have to agree with radioman. My employer knows what I do as a volunteer, and to some extent, allows some flexibility when needed. Should they be required to grant me three weeks (15 days) leave for a mission? No.

[BrandonKea]

I wish they would consider passing this Nationally...

Get Real   Being a member of CAP as well as being gainfully employed I really don't want ANY laws passed that require by employer to let me take off from work for CAP missions.   

EVERY CAP "adult" "mature" member should be able to sell their participation in CAP to their employer.  Frankly, IF you get too many laws about what an employer has to do for certain classes of people including CAP, IF you go job hunting regardless of what the law says you just might not get hired because of your status (and those that say lawsuit, etc, get real also ).  Remember employers expect their employees to be on the job daily  --  that's WHY YOU ARE HIRED & TRAINED in the first place!

I know companies that have had issues with operations staffing because of volunteer/on call firemen being at a fire.  Remember CAP isn't paying your salary and benefits, it's your employer.  Let the comments begin
RM

I'm not even gonna feed the troll on this one. I'm out.

[wingnut55]

Radioman you make some valid points indeed the very same points that some (very small) brought out in "Democratic Debate" in both committee and finally on the floor.

But look at it from the needs of CAP too, the country is less so patriotic as we would love to think. Yes 'Some company's will be impacted, and Yes the people will be fired if they don't use their vacation time!!!

Well Howdy Doody guess what is happening as the number of members dwindle?? fewer people are available to fly homeland security missions for the United States Air Force. Golly guess what we do fly for the U.S. Government!! without us the Military would have to have thousands diverted from the WAR. But that is not important is it??? 

[RiverAux]

The Governator just signed this bill.
Congrats California Wing!

[Capt Rivera]

looks like we assumed it was paid leave.... I won't look it up but I would have assumed it to be unpaid leave in which vacation/PTO could be applied to....

Anyone know off the top of their head... no need to google it for me

[Eclipse]

looks like we assumed it was paid leave.... I won't look it up but I would have assumed it to be unpaid leave in which vacation/PTO could be applied to....

Anyone know off the top of their head... no need to google it for me

Does any state force paid leave, even for the military?  I doubt it.
I expect companies to let our people go, and save their jobs, but not to pay them for the time...

[RiverAux]

yep.  there was an article about these laws in the volunteer a while back.  Seem to recall at least one required paid leave for city, county, state employees.

[MikeD]

yep.  there was an article about these laws in the volunteer a while back.  Seem to recall at least one required paid leave for city, county, state employees.

Which is nice, and totally different then requiring paid leave for the private sector.  From the way it's written, it sounds like unpaid leave. 

[Airrace]

California Wing CAP members Pushing bill for 15 days leave for CAP Missions.

Assembly Labor and Employment - 04/22/09
Motion: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Judiciary.
Ayes: 7, Noes: 0, Abstentions: 0

Assembly Judiciary - 04/27/09
Motion: Do pass and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations.
Ayes: 9, Noes: 1, Abstentions: 0

Assembly Appropriations - 05/13/09
Motion: Do pass.
Ayes: 10, Noes: 4, Abstentions: 1

Assembly Floor - 05/26/09
Motion: AB 485 CARTER Assembly Third Reading
Ayes: 65, Noes: 8, Abstentions: 6


On to the CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE

I hope it passes in the Senate!

[RiverAux]

It already did.  The Gov has signed it and it is law.  I haven't seen the actual legislation so don't know when it goes into effect.

[PHall]

It already did.  The Gov has signed it and it is law.  I haven't seen the actual legislation so don't know when it goes into effect.

Jan 1, 2010 if I'm not mistaken.

[sardak]

From the website  maintained by the Legislative Counsel  of California: "Most bills go into effect on the first day of January of the next year. Urgency measures take effect immediately after they are signed..." I didn't see an urgency measure, so it appears January 1, 2010 is correct.

The California law is interesting in that it provides "not less than 10 days per year calendar year of unpaid leave."  The other bills I've read put an upper limit on the number of days.

Does any state force paid leave, even for the military?  I doubt it.
I expect companies to let our people go, and save their jobs, but not to pay them for the time...

yep.  there was an article about these laws in the volunteer a while back.  Seem to recall at least one required paid leave for city, county, state employees.

The Colorado law states "Any member who is an officer or employee of the state or of any political subdivision, municipal corporation, or other public agency of the state" can get up to 15 days of paid leave. Private employers are only required to provide unpaid leave.

Mike

[RiverAux]

I guess they're saying that an employer must provide at least 10 days of unpaid leave, but leaves the option open to allow them to provide more than 10 if they want. 

[a2capt]

I have to say that when I first read about the similar passage of a bill in Iowa which seemed to be the one that made lots of discussion, that it would be amazing but probably never happen, if something like that would get floated in California.