Search is being funky. Final word on the 1st Sgt Diamond

Started by Майор Хаткевич, August 02, 2012, 05:05:39 AM

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abdsp51

Uh oh looks like someone got hemmed up for that one.  With sources cited as to the violations. 

AngelWings

Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 09, 2012, 02:59:08 PM
Not that I'd pull the trigger, but maybe on of our ABU cadets can ask the National Commander via eServices on this one.  >:D >:D >:D
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Quote from: BrannG on August 09, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
Here is my only response.. vanguard has the First Sgt insignias..

Pre-Master Sgt : http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-cadet-grade-insignia-first-sergeant-chevron-p-7020.html

Mst Sgt+ :

http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-chevron-cadet-master-sergeant-first-sergeant-p-7022.html
http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-chevron-cadet-senior-master-sergeant-first-sergeant-p-7017.html
http://www.vanguardmil.com/cap-cadet-grade-insignia-chief-master-sergeant-first-sergeant-chevron-p-7019.html

As per the actual regs.. not to sure.

So?  Just because Vanguard sells it doesn't mean its authorized...

We are looking at something that was authorized but got dropped at some point and now its not although too many people use "tradition" as their rationale for doing it/wearing it...

BuckeyeDEJ

Quote from: SarDragon on August 09, 2012, 06:50:15 AM
OK, here's a better reference: a recent letter from NHQ . It's also attached in the CAPP 52-24 thread.

I looked on the CAPVA 52-100 , and there is ZERO mention of the diamond.

Given the highlighted places in the letter, and the VA, I think the case is firmly closed.

One of the dangers of social media, folks. Your unit public affairs officers should be fully apprised and knowledgeable of social media as a tool vs. as a weapon. Always good to make the PA your friend, and consult that person often.


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Quote from: BrannG on August 09, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
Here is my only response.. vanguard has the First Sgt insignias..

Pre-Master Sgt : http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-cadet-grade-insignia-first-sergeant-chevron-p-7020.html

Mst Sgt+ :

http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-chevron-cadet-master-sergeant-first-sergeant-p-7022.html
http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-chevron-cadet-senior-master-sergeant-first-sergeant-p-7017.html
http://www.vanguardmil.com/cap-cadet-grade-insignia-chief-master-sergeant-first-sergeant-chevron-p-7019.html

As per the actual regs.. not to sure.

Quote from: CAPM 39-1Items not listed in this publication are not authorized for wear. NOTE: CAPMart may sell items that are not authorized for wear with the USAF–style or CAP distinctive uniforms. This publication is the sole source for wear instructions and authorized items for various uniform combinations as prescribed within.

Now, we all know that CAPMart is no more, but it has been functionally replaced by Vanguard. Let's not bicker over that.
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And it looks like we got two people who were involved in an internet fight! Young versus old, east versus west, and a definate clash of humor! Please stay tuned on "Drama: Life In The CAPTalk" for more arguing, debates, and no contests stories from the members who were there to witness it!  :clap:

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Quote from: Private Investigator on August 09, 2012, 09:21:35 AM
Quote from: Danger on August 08, 2012, 04:12:18 PM
1st Sergeant is a billeted rank, so if you are chosen to be your squadron's first sergeant you wear a diamond on your SNCO grade. Your grade will be Msgt, SMSgt, or CMSgt. But you will have the 1st Sgt billet. So even if you are a chief you are still addressed as "First Sergeant"

One summer I had a C/SSgt that was our First Sergeant and she found a 'diamond' somewhere to place above her C/SSgt cutout.

WIWAC, before the advent of any C/NCO rank above C/MSgt, the first shirt diamond was a separate piece of equipment that had to be placed above the stripes.  I know, because I was my squadron's Top at one point.  I believe we still have a couple of those diamonds in our squadron rank box.  We also have a few of the old insignia with the raised shield that you'd have to super glue back on if it popped off.

They're a nice piece of nostalgia because they were probably mine back in the day.

Майор Хаткевич

They still sell the diamond on Vanguard, even though non SNCOs aren't supposed to be 1st Sgts.

AngelWings

Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 21, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
They still sell the diamond on Vanguard, even though non SNCOs aren't supposed to be 1st Sgts.
Bu-but I am a master tech sergeant!!! 

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Quote from: AngelWings on August 21, 2012, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 21, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
They still sell the diamond on Vanguard, even though non SNCOs aren't supposed to be 1st Sgts.
Bu-but I am a master tech sergeant!!!
PSSHT, I am a senior chief master awesome epic grand pubah commander major sergeant. Or C/scmaegpcmsgt for short.
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Quote from: Extremepredjudice on August 21, 2012, 09:18:59 PM
Quote from: AngelWings on August 21, 2012, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 21, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
They still sell the diamond on Vanguard, even though non SNCOs aren't supposed to be 1st Sgts.
Bu-but I am a master tech sergeant!!!
PSSHT, I am a senior chief master awesome epic grand pubah commander major sergeant. Or C/scmaegpcmsgt for short.

Ha! Try Senior Chief Awesome Poobah Emir Great Overlord And Tyrant...SCAPEGOAT!!!!
Still a major after all these years.
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Opinionated and wrong 99% of the time about all things

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