Sooo not CAP related, but it's all I got...

[Stonewall]

I spent 5 years on a protection detail for the President of the World Bank.  First, James Wolfensohn, then, my last year, Paul Wolfowitz.  Throughout my travels to more than 40 countries, most of them, developing, I managed to stay out of view of the cameras.  Even with my efforts I managed to get caught and I'd see myself on the news or in a newspaper.  Here is one of only 3 pictures I have with my principal, and the only one of me with Wolfowitz.

I was one of 3 PSOs (Personal Security Officers).  Sometimes known as the AIC (Agent in Charge) or DL (Detail Leader)...  In the picture, we're walking down the steps of the Treasury Building after a meeting then Secretary John Snow.

Just thought I'd share.

[LittleIronPilot]

Cool...though even as a former LEO myself I must say anyone that does protection detail is NUTS!

If I choose, as an officer, to toss my butt in front of a car/bullet/whatever it would be because of *my* choice...to hang it all out there for some political hack, man no thanks.

[Pylon]

Sweet 

[mikeylikey]

Sexy   

[culpies]

nice

[mikeylikey]

Awesome

[SM-MADDOG]

If I choose, as an officer, to toss my butt in front of a car/bullet/whatever it would be because of *my* choice

I agree but Private Officers all over the world do the same they are injured and killed just like everyone else. I just recently joined an association of private officers, they try to keep up on the news in the united states of private officers, i.e. security officers, loss prevention, private detective etc. They try and keep up on news of injured and killed officers and the list of course is incomplete because they still dont know of all. But on new yrs day the start of 2008 3 officers were down and at least 5 or more wounded in 24 hrs. Private Officers help with homeland security and crime, if it werent for private officers crime would be even higher. If LEO's had to do private officer duties too we would not have enough public officers to go around. Every dept in the country still does not have all the officers they need. SO thank the Private Officers also, and thanks for your service as a LEO

Cool...though even as a former LEO myself I must say anyone that does protection detail is NUTS!

If I choose, as an officer, to toss my butt in front of a car/bullet/whatever it would be because of *my* choice...to hang it all out there for some political hack, man no thanks.

[stillamarine]

I'm curious as to what the name of this association is.

[Stonewall]

I'm curious as to what the name of this association is.

Ditto.  Being that I'm a security specialist trapped in a cop's body until I can break out.

[stillamarine]

I'm curious as to what the name of this association is.

Ditto.  Being that I'm a security specialist trapped in a cop's body until I can break out.

Not to derail your thread....well anymore than it is....I've heard of many of these associations promising all sorts of stuff and I haven't seen one that can deliver, at least one that is dedicated to the rank and file officer

[Stonewall]

Not to derail your thread....well anymore than it is....I've heard of many of these associations promising all sorts of stuff and I haven't seen one that can deliver, at least one that is dedicated to the rank and file officer

Yeah, most people don't grow up dreaming to be a rank and file security officer.  I'm a member of ASIS, American Society for Industrial Security and attend meetings at the local chapter.   I'd be hard pressed to find a uniformed security officer in attendance.  Most are security professionals, managers, chief security officers, and law enforcement.  Been a member since 1999.

[baronet68]

Not to derail your thread....well anymore than it is....I've heard of many of these associations promising all sorts of stuff and I haven't seen one that can deliver, at least one that is dedicated to the rank and file officer

There are some flake organizations out there  but two that are pretty good are ASIS International and IFPO (International Foundation for Protection Officers).   ASIS is the 'gold standard' organization geared toward security management, physical protection, and investigative professionals, while IFPO (a slightly less 'mature' organization) is geared more toward the rank-and-file security officer.  Both emphasize training and education for their members.

Yeah, most people don't grow up dreaming to be a rank and file security officer.  I'm a member of ASIS, American Society for Industrial Security and attend meetings at the local chapter.   I'd be hard pressed to find a uniformed security officer in attendance.  Most are security professionals, managers, chief security officers, and law enforcement.  Been a member since 1999.

UK, shame on you for not remembering that the "American Society for Industrial Security" changed their name to "ASIS International" because there are now ASIS chapters all around the world.   

I'd also echo UK's comments about security professionals, they're not all wearing a badge and shaking doorknobs at night.  Heck, I come from a family full of cops (and a judge), so it was pretty much pre-ordained that I'd be a cop or judge too.  Through a odd set of circumstances and/or fate, I became a "Security Guard" and found that there was a lot to do and learn in the security field.  Experience, training, and motivation all came together as stepping stones to the "professional" security field and it's really been an exciting ride.


Michael Moore, CPP (Certified Protection Professional)
ASIS Member since 2002

[Stonewall]

UK, shame on you for not remembering that the "American Society for Industrial Security" changed their name to "ASIS International" because there are now ASIS chapters all around the world.   

Yes, dear.  I knew it is now referred to as ASIS, but I'm so used to explaining it by spelling it out.  No one down here has heard about it compared to my experience in DC where ASIS HQ is.

Michael Moore, CPP (Certified Protection Professional)
ASIS Member since 2002

Wow!!! CPP?  I was looking at doing the study weekend thing then taking the test in New Orleans in April, but after talking to a couple of CPP guys at the local chapter, I'm not sure I'm remotely ready to take the study course let alone pass the exam.  I'm a horrible test taker.

What do you do in security?  Hire me? 

[stillamarine]

Not to derail your thread....well anymore than it is....I've heard of many of these associations promising all sorts of stuff and I haven't seen one that can deliver, at least one that is dedicated to the rank and file officer

There are some flake organizations out there  but two that are pretty good are ASIS International and IFPO (International Foundation for Protection Officers).   ASIS is the 'gold standard' organization geared toward security management, physical protection, and investigative professionals, while IFPO (a slightly less 'mature' organization) is geared more toward the rank-and-file security officer.  Both emphasize training and education for their members.

Yeah, most people don't grow up dreaming to be a rank and file security officer.  I'm a member of ASIS, American Society for Industrial Security and attend meetings at the local chapter.   I'd be hard pressed to find a uniformed security officer in attendance.  Most are security professionals, managers, chief security officers, and law enforcement.  Been a member since 1999.

UK, shame on you for not remembering that the "American Society for Industrial Security" changed their name to "ASIS International" because there are now ASIS chapters all around the world.   

I'd also echo UK's comments about security professionals, they're not all wearing a badge and shaking doorknobs at night.  Heck, I come from a family full of cops (and a judge), so it was pretty much pre-ordained that I'd be a cop or judge too.  Through a odd set of circumstances and/or fate, I became a "Security Guard" and found that there was a lot to do and learn in the security field.  Experience, training, and motivation all came together as stepping stones to the "professional" security field and it's really been an exciting ride.


Michael Moore, CPP (Certified Protection Professional)
ASIS Member since 2002

IMHO neither ASIS or IFPO are really geared for the rank and file officers. How many plain ol officers do you see being members of either?

Don't get me wrong I'm glad they are there, both of them as well as FASCO (Florida Association of Security Companies) have brought about great changes. (FL armed officers finally being able to carry 9mm, amber/green lights on vehicles in FL, and the new detention bill being introduced this year.)

But like I said just my lil ol opinion, probably not worth the .02 lol

Tim Gardiner, PSP, CPO, CHSS

[Stonewall]

IMHO neither ASIS or IFPO are really geared for the rank and file officers. How many plain ol officers do you see being members of either?

No, and that's because unless you're like me or you, 98% of line [security] officers are not officers in the professional sense.  For a short time between leaving active duty army and getting cleared/hired by the "agency", I worked as a uniformed security officer at the Embassy for Saudi Arabia in Washington, DC for abuot 6 months.  From Dec 95 to Apr 96 I made $10 an hour walking a beat around the embassy, checking cars, running the SOC, and waiving a wand at visitors.  It was there that I learned the company I worked for, Vance International, had one of the first premier Executive Protection programs.  They protected all the Royal Saudi family with former SAS types.  It was then that I knew I wanted to be a professional security type, but glad I walked in the shoes of a uniformed officer for those 6 months.  One of those remember where you came from things.

But like I said just my lil ol opinion, probably not worth the .02. lol

Don't sell yourself short, I appreciate your views and input.

Tim Gardiner, PSP, CPO, CHSS

PSP?  The ASIS certification?  How was that?  I am considering that in lieu of CPP in April.

[stillamarine]

Eh, I think it was pretty good. I got onto this kick that I wanted to get certification from what I consider the big 3 organizations for security. ASIS, IFPO, and IAHSS (International Association of Healthcare Security and Safety.) I figured without having a college degree it was my best way to make myself more marketable. The PSP test goes into a lot of things on there about surveys and such. I am in the process of starting a security school in TN in the next 6 months or so and plan on doing some consulting on the side and I thing what I got out of the PSP program will help!

[baronet68]

Michael Moore, CPP (Certified Protection Professional)
ASIS Member since 2002

Wow!!! CPP?  I was looking at doing the study weekend thing then taking the test in New Orleans in April, but after talking to a couple of CPP guys at the local chapter, I'm not sure I'm remotely ready to take the study course let alone pass the exam.  I'm a horrible test taker.

I recommend taking a CPP Review course (resident course if you can find one) because it will do a really good job of identifying which subject areas you need to brush up on.  If you can afford it, get the CPP Books with the Protection of Assets Manual -- It's really expensive, but the entire CPP exam is pulled from those books and I refer to my books at least once a week to look up some factoid.

What do you do in security? 

I'm a Security Operations Manager (with a minor in Database Administration) so I spend 1/3 of my day managing contract security officers, 1/3 disaster prep and emergency planning, 1/3 security design and setup of new offices overseas, and 1/3 managing an Informix database (access control system) and getting it to talk to other computers on the network.  Yeah, that's 4/3's of my day... 

Hire me? 

If I had a position to fill, I'd hire you on the spot!