Patron Membership Retirement Points? Army Promotion Points

[Eclipse]

Speaking for the NCO committee we are not chartered to make changes or comment on the office side of things. 

You can't fix subordinates without fixing their managers, this can't be done in any meaningful way in a vacuum.

[Storm Chaser]

My thoughts exactly. Any significant changes to either programs should be done in coordination in order to have meaningful results.

[lordmonar]

Speaking for the NCO committee we are not chartered to make changes or comment on the office side of things. 

You can't fix subordinates without fixing their managers, this can't be done in any meaningful way in a vacuum.

So fix it. 
It's not the subordinates job to fix the managers.   

[Storm Chaser]

Since CAP has not defined the role of the CAP NCO as it relates to the CAP officer, we can't really say a CAP NCO is a "subordinate" of the CAP officer in the same context as in the Air Force or military in general. As currently implemented, a CAP NCO can actually supervise a CAP officer depending on their duty or mission assignment. If that's not the intent of the new program, then that should be clarified and communicated.

[lordmonar]

Did not want to turn this into an NCO thread.   

Just saying that if you see problems with the officer promotion system its your job to fix it.

[Eclipse]

Just saying that if you see problems with the officer promotion system its your job to fix it.

No, it's literally not, nor does that negate the point made.

However anyone who thinks they can "fix" the NCO corps, without the same adjustments to the officers,
doesn't understand the question.  Nor does the fact that a few members believe the NCO corps needs to
be "fixed", actually make that true.

[lordmonar]

Slow your roll sir. 

[sarmed1]

Patron membership does not count torward "tenure" for the Red Service Ribbon or CAP retirement status.

You are eligible to request grade advancement based on your ARNG rank, but it's not automatic.

The 39-2 does not specify the type of membership, only be a member in good standing.

c. Retired Member. A member in good standing with a minimum of 20 years service as a
senior member, not necessarily continuous, is eligible to retire from Civil Air Patrol. (NOTE:
Members having 10 years service as of 1 December 1994 may retire with 12 years service.)
Cadet service does not count toward the 20-year requirement; however, this service may be
recognized on the retirement certificate if the dates of cadet membership are included in the
remarks section of the CAPF 2A.

I retired when I went to CAP RAP as a primary USAF job.  I had been a patron before that due to the CAP-RAP as an additional duty thing.  There were no issues with my retirement.

MK

[aestu]

I retired when I went to CAP RAP as a primary USAF job.  I had been a patron before that due to the CAP-RAP as an additional duty thing.  There were no issues with my retirement.

MK

So you did definitely get retirement credit for patron membership years?

I'm in a similar position right now.

[Storm Chaser]

I stand corrected. Patron members are considered senior members according to CAPR 39-2, Para. 3-1, and their "service" counts towards CAP retirement status.

No offense to our distinguished patron members, but I think only active service should count. I'm surprised that patrons get credit towards CAP retirement by making a financial contribution, but cadet sponsor members don't, even though they may be actively helping the unit.

[sarmed1]

I retired when I went to CAP RAP as a primary USAF job.  I had been a patron before that due to the CAP-RAP as an additional duty thing.  There were no issues with my retirement.

MK

So you did definitely get retirement credit for patron membership years?

I'm in a similar position right now.

I will have to look at my official senior join date and count to make sure that I didnt have enough "active" years, and that they didnt just tack on the patron years after the minimum.  But I was in a patron status when I submitted and "retired"

mk

[Shuman 14]

I stand corrected. Patron members are considered senior members according to CAPR 39-2, Para. 3-1, and their "service" counts towards CAP retirement status.

No offense to our distinguished patron members, but I think only active service should count. I'm surprised that patrons get credit towards CAP retirement by making a financial contribution, but cadet sponsor members don't, even though they may be actively helping the unit.

None taken. 

seriously can't wait for my Patron Retired Certificate... I never have to write another check.

[aestu]

I don't mind spending the extra money, if a particular squadron is looking for extra members who don't necessarily have time to commit every weekend.

If any particular squadron is looking for an extra member, please feel free to PM me.